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Yao Post Plays (vs LAL 3/11)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Mar 13, 2009.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    I create a compilation of clips from the Lakers game showing all of Yao's post plays. I included plays in which he got the ball in the post, in the lane, or in the high post. I also included plays in which he did not get a touch, but in which (I surmise) he was the number 1 option. I labeled each clip in the video so that we can more easily refer to them and discuss what happened. In all, the compilation consists of 44 clips. I hope the video quality is good enough ... I'm kind of new at this.

    <embed id="VideoPlayback" src="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=2115663686450811022&hl=en&fs=true" style="width:400px;height:326px" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always"
     
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    good work

    Its interesting, I haven't watched the whole thing but like the amount of contact he has

    amazing
     
  3. MandM's

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    you know. i watched the 4th qtr again last night and saw that the turnover in the 4th on the in bound pass was pg mistake. lazy pass. people ahve been bashing yao for that but you can clearly see that the pg threw it away and gasol step up in front of a soft pass. those guys need to learn to pop it in to yao.especially late in games
     
  4. comehere2

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    good work. thank you.

    yao did ok. don't understand those negative threads.

    our entry passes are so bad, not even funny.

    yao is a decent passer. creates plenty open shots.
     
  5. MandM's

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    clip 42. you never throw a bouce pass to a guy who is 7'6. that is basic bball
     
  6. durvasa

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    Which play are you referring to. Can give the clip # from the video compilation?

    n/m you answered it. :)
     
  7. pmac

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    Great job durvasa.

    Other than the obvious problems with sealing his man off, Yao has way too much trouble with double teams. He's passing out to the open man but it's an out of control pass. It doesn't always lead to turnovers but by the time his teammates go get the ball sometimes the defense has time to reset.

    I'm curious as to why he seems so uncomfortable with traps when he gets doubled so often, Tracy Mcgrady had the same problem.
     
  8. rffdc

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    nice work, it's good to see how hard yao work in the paint....
     
  9. durvasa

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    Both Yao and Tracy have a tendency to pick up their dribble prematurely (Yao doesn't really have a choice, and for Tracy its a bad habit). I think that's why.
     
  10. Franchise2001

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    Good clip thanks. It goes to show how many uncontested shots we missed from all the kickouts when Yao got the ball in the right spot and the defense had to react. It's pretty difficult to go 5-28 on 3s (17.9%), commit 23 turnovers, let your opponent shoot 50% and get outrebounded and still expect to win.

    With all that being said. Yao is still the most difficult 7'6 target to hit trying to post him up. Hopefully next time we play the Lakers we make them pay for doubling Yao by actually hitting our wide open 3s.
     
  11. frank2030

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    I like this video.
    From it you can find YAO played good ,but Brooks and Lowry still don't know how to feed him the ball.
     
  12. leebigez

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    Great work as usual durvasa! This is my problem with a lot of complaining about entry passes. How come we have so many players that can't make one? Also, what the common theme? Maybe its the receiver that's the problem. I never heard them say Lowry can't get the ball to gasol the yr he played there. It used to be francis,then rafer, now brooks.
     
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    There isn't universal agreement on this; many coaches teach "fake high pass low and fake low pass high." Pass low (i.e. bounce pass) must be an option.

    AB uses a bounce pass because he would trouble throwing over a taller defender.
     
  14. pmac

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    Well, some big guys have such great hands that you don't have to make a good entry pass.
     
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    I have never seen Lowry pass a ball to Yao like that. If Brooks could not pass the ball to Yao correctly, he should find another way to deal the ball.
     
  16. durvasa

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    Yao does have his problems sealing guys behind him and receiving the ball. No one can mistake him for, say, Tim Duncan in that department. It is what it is, and his teammates/coaches just have to be smarter about when and how to get him the ball. It's a challenge. But when Yao does get the ball, usually good things happen. There's sort of balance that needs to be struck between him attacking the defense before the double comes (advocated by JVG, I think), and also being patient enough to perceive what the defense is doing (advocated by RA). I wish there was a way for his teammates to communicate with him on where the help is coming from, but I think maybe its difficult for him to hear that.
     
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    Good thread,

    Out of 4 or 5 times when his defender is able to steal the ball, I only count a couple of times where Yao didn't seal his man properly.

    But one can look at it different way, a more athletic big man can go get the ball even when the pass was bad.

    There are also quite a few cases where passer can't pass to Yao when Yao was open, especially in the 2nd half.

    That can completely be attributed to the Laker defense. There are only two great entry passers Rocket has, they are Battier and Lowry.

    But Battier is being guarded by Briant and Lowry is too small.

    I think in the second half, Laker turns up the defensive intensity and put a lot of pressure on both the passers and Yao.
     
  18. Blurr#7

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    I rewatched the game last night also and I'm glad you posted this. Kobe had a free reign to double Yao, he was roaming all night. As Shane would clear out he basically let him go to double down on Yao. With Rafer gone Shane's shooting makes him the obious choice to leave open.
    Another observation is the Lakers doubled off the opposite side of where Yao was, making Yao have to pass the ball across the lane all the way to the other side, tough pass for anybody! Shane has to come out of his slump, This what playoffteams do, take away you strenghts and play the pecentages.
     
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  19. frank2030

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    god damn right!!!
    and Adelman should have noticed that and made adjustment!!!
     
  20. lovermanbuda

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    We missed open shots and turnovers killed us, simple as that. Ron Ron jumper was off tonight and Battier is still struggling with his shot. In this game Battier's offense liability hurt us simply because Kobe was helping on Yao and leaving Battier to shoot jumpers

    As far as entry passes goes, Brooks loves to bounce pass to Yao which is not the best way to pass to someone 7'6''. I'm always hearing the opposing center is getting tired defending Yao but the same can be said with Yao. He's getting tired of being pushed and grabbed through out the game so Yao efficiency drops as the game goes on.
     

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