did you guys watch RAW last night? I heard Flair showed up. Did that go over with the crowd well? Is he a good guy or bad guy?
I haven't watched "wretling" in a long time. I can't belive Flair is still around. Isn't he like 70 by now??
I missed it but here's what I heard. Mr. McMahon was going to strip Stone Cold of his title and give it to Kurt Angle. That's when Flair shows up. He says that when Shane and Stephanie sold their stocks in the WWF, he was the one that bought them. So now, Ric Flair is the co-owner of the WWF. Stone Cold then shows up and kicks Mr. McMahon's and Kurt Angle's @$$'s. But from what I hear, when Flair showed up the crowd went wild. So I guess Flair is a bad guy and and is going to be the head of the heels.
Actually, it appears Vince will be the bad guy with Angle as his lackey... Stone Cold is a face now, despite being the ex-leader of the alliance (although the crowd was starting to like him while he was still with the alliance). It appears Flair will be the face opposition to Vince, with Stone Cold loosely alligned with Flair. Tree
So, in essence, the Alliance team may be the faces now? Or, have most of those Alliance guys disappeared?
No. Jericho is a heel now... he was changing before the Survivor Series and is definately a full fledged heel now. Rock is still the Rock. Angle did a swerve to face, then back to heel when his intentions became clear. (He didn't really care about the WWF) Kane and Undertaker are the same. Stone Cold is a face now. RVD is still RVD (not quite a face, not quiet a heel, but very over with the fans). Not sure about Booker T. It looks like Rock and Jericho will feud for a while as will Angle and Austin. I wonder what's next for Undertaker and Kane? Or RVD? And what about HHH who should be coming back soon? Tree
In my opinion, RVD should get a push...he really brings a cool style and I can see him strong as either a face or heel.
Only one problem with that. I have read from several websites that RVD has a nasty habit of being a little bit "careless" with some of his moves and has busted open some of his opponents, when he wasn't meant to (eg. Stone Cold, Jericho, Raven, Taker etc.). This didn't go down very well with WWF management and because of that are reluctant to give him a big time push.
I was a wrestling fan from the early 80s to the mid 90s, now it's just soap operaish skits instead of pure wrestling. I haven't been a serious fan, though I keep up with it now and again. The Alliance is essentially dead, Vince McMahon took the greatest potential angle ever and flushed it down the toilet because of ego and his hatred for Ted Turner. All the while he's losing big time money. He's losing about 50 million dollars in the XFL, losing hundreds of millions in stock, TV ratings are down about 25 to 35%, attendance and PPV ticket sales our down 60%, merchandising is down 32%. He drove away all of the WCW fans, and some of the WWF fans, and he made some front office cuts a few days ago, cutting a few million dollars off his staff. 50 front office officials are due to be cut, and 20 wrestlers will be cut. Vince McMahon is killing wrestling. But I said my piece. I miss the old days.
.....so I guess you didn't like the "Kiss my A$$" bit eh, RocksMillenium? btw....wher are you getting those numbers?
I heard the same about RVD. I've also noticed that he moves a little bit slower in the ring now. He just doesn't seem to be as impressive of flowing when he does his stuff. Although he's not getting a huge push, he's definately still getting a push. As far as wrestling going down the tube, I've heard that for so long that it's getting old. Although there isn't as much wrestling per show nowadays, I'll take Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle over Hogan And Randy Savage any time. Plus, I like the soap opera nature of wrestling now. Without that, I wouldn't watch it. Except for the occasional amazing match, the wrestling is for the most part boring. I do however wish there was more quality wrestling and more creative wrestling. Even the more entertaining wrestlers merely fall into an uninspired pattern in their wrestling. I want to see more "real" wrestling between Angle and Benoit... but then again, that might just be me. Oh, and Stacy Keibler is SOOOOO yummy! *swoon* Tree
Uh...hasn't wrestling always been soap-operaish? I remember back in the day of Hogan, Macho Man, Ulitmate Warrior, etc....and it wasn't exactly rocket science then either. Personally I think the problem was the whole 'anti-hero' era. It's had some negative aftereffects. That's what was great about Hogan in his day. For the most part, he was almost a superhero. He WAS the good guy, hands down. He was someone you could cheer for. Now, the fans don't know who the hell to cheer for. Everyone's going heel and face left and right. The way to really bring back WWF popularity is to give them a real hero again...someone who has to fight back from the small time against incredible odds. Not another 'what is Stone Cold this week?'
I actually like today's characters better. I can see the problem of people not knowing who to cheer for, but it really isn't that bad, IMHO. The WWF generally makes it clear who is the face and who is the heel. Plus, I've always liked rooting for the bad guys and so do a lot of other people, which makes it hard to define face and heel strictly on popularity. But I like the characters not being completely good or completely evil and yet you know what side of the road they are on. Tree
The best/worst thing to happen to wrestling was Vince buying wcw. Sure some intriguiing match ups were created and the wcw wrestlers seemed to be in control in the beginning, but since then, the original wwf wrestlers have dominated. There needs to be another fed. Competition is good. As for now, what the wwf needs is Scott Steiner or Goldberg, that will boost ratings in a second. As for wrestlers being fired, everyone saw that coming. It's called trimming the fat. One federation with 2 federations worth of wrestlers will do that to you. I think they need to push Mike Awesome. He's can't miss. I think Jericho is overrated. I thought he was decent on the mic, but he relies way tooo much on catch phrases. He is a "spot " wrestler, and a bad one at that. The Rock has much more natural charisma. Jericho, like RVD, is also known to hurt wrestlers. I'm shocked that Bradshaw doesn't have the same problem. Did anyone read the Smackdown spoilers?
I've never heard about Jericho hurting other wrestlers, but I do agree, he is overrated. However, he has been in a number of highly enjoyable matches, the first of which I can think was between him and benoit in a ladder match. God, I wish benoit could develop some mike skills. He is sooooo entertaining in the ring. The whole WWF buying up WCW and subsequent angles was exciting at first, but boy does it suck now. The WWF desperately needs competition. Sure there are still good things going on, but it seems the WWF has been lacking recently. The problem is that so much of the top talent is tied up in WWF right now that it's going to be REALLY hard for another promotion to break through as a contender. Hopefully someone can put together something good. Tree
Jericho was much better at WCW than WWF. For some reason I just don't think much of Jericho anymore. Maybe Jericho's "Personal Securuty Guard", the dude with the fat belly made me laugh.
I think Goldberg could be exactly the hero that people are looking for. Anyone know when his contract with Time-Warner is up? Unfortunately, knowing Vince McMahon, he will try to make GB a heel and will screw everything over again. Oh well, at least 'Taker is on every once in a while. Does anyone else not remember all that walking along the top rope crap from him in his earlier matches. Whenever he does that they say he is going old school, but that seems to be a newer move in his repetoire. Some of the best talents get screwed by crappy writing, like "Who's better than Kanyon?" or all of the crap they put Marcus Bagwell through. And who's bright idea was it for SCSA to keep saying what every ten seconds. Best Title Holders WWF/WC - 'Taker/Goldberg/Angle US/Euro/Intercontinental - Booker T/Jericho/Tajiri/RVD Tag Team - Dudleys/Steiner-Bagwell/APA Hardcore - Blackman/Crash Holly Cruiserweight - Hardy/Tajiri/Kidman/Mysterio People who should be fired Helms, DDP, Austin, Spike, Big Show, Edge, Christian, writers, everyone from RTC, Billy Gunn, The King, Patterson and Brisco, HHH, Polumbo, Staziak, O'Hare, Jindrak Guys who need to be brought back Bagwell, Sting, Steiner, Goldberg, Hogan
