If Mo wanted 6-8 million a year next year, would you right now consider signing him back and bringing him or just go after someone else? I know I wouldnt want him right now. ( This is not to get the mo lovers mad, I just want to see who is impressed with Mo) We all know The Cat will say yes. ------------------ Vice President of the Jason Collier fan club!
Well I'll say it anyway. 8 million is a little extreme- I'm not sure if I'd invest that much, but I don't think Mo's realistically thinking he'll get 8 mil anyway. I think he's worth around the 5-6 million range, and I'd give that to him without hesitation. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Looking for next year's Jason Collier or Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
He's earning the "measly" salary he gets now. He needs to pull down at least 6 rpg to get 5-6 mil and at least 10 to get 8 mil. If this were the end of the season, I wouldn't think twice about letting him walk...this coming from one of his biggest supporters dating back to last year. Sorry Mo', but the way things are, you gotta go. ------------------ Five to one baby, one in five...no one here gets, out alive.
I was just about to start a thread about this myself. When we talk about Mo, Why do we ALWAYS have to talk about next year? We've got him signed right now. Let's just watch him and root for the Rockets. Mo's impending free agency is not a reason to bash him. Who cares what he signs for next year? Who cares who signs Mo next year? All the Rockets staff, and the staff of everyone else in the league sees how Mo is playing. The front office staffs will take this into account when they negociate with Mo. Mo bashing at cc.net won't change the outcome. Just watch Mo. Hope he does well and the Rockets do well. STOP WHINING ABOUT NEXT YEAR. SHUT UP AND WATCH THIS YEAR AND ROOT FOR MO AND THE ROCKETS.
jamcracker, Mo stats THIS year: FG% - .442 FT% - .684 REB - 4.0 PFs - 2.9 I think most people are talking about this year. I also think most people are rooting for him, it's just that he's not living up to expectations, and not showing signs of improvement. ------------------ "I have a DREAM.........his name's Hakeem." DREAMer's Rocket Page
Dreamer, what expectations? Mo was a side-order of mash potatoes. Not a chicken fried steak. You can have 'em or leave 'em. Either way the Chicken fried Steak is not effected either way by that decision. ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROCKETBOOSTER (edited December 12, 2000).]
Well I am willing to give him more time, although he was AWFUL last night defensively he did try to be aggresive on the offensive end but he had no success. If he keeps trying to impose his will on the offensive end with low-post moves and goes aggresively to the basket then I wouldn't mind having him back for the right price, say 3.5 mill. Now on the other side of that coin if he just continues to play like he has up to this point I seriously doubt he would even be worth the NBA minimum. Up until this point he has been one of the biggest disapointments that I can remember. I know every man has a right to his opinion but it just baffles me when people say that Maurice Taylor is playing well. Maurice is playing down right awful. I am all the way behind him but there is no way in hell I am going to sugar coat his play. There is no question in my mind that Larry Smith couldn't suit up and grab at least 3 times the rebounds brother is pulling down. To answer "Kenyon Martin's agent's" original question...... Hell NO!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
Don't bash Mo because you expected too much of him. We upgraded the 4 more than any other position during the offseason. Mo has contributed MUCH more thus far than any other off-season addition. No matter who starts, we are much better off with Mo and Kenny instead of just Kenny. ------------------ I miss Charles.
Are they much better? Also, was the person that mentioned Rudy playing Cato at the 4 during preseason serious? ------------------ You don't normally see a shot-blocker out there shooting 3s like that. - Matt Bullard
If Cato comes back and is somewhat improved, I would play Cato at the 5 and Olajuwon at the 4. With Fracis, Anderson, and Walt in the backcourt, that would be a good sized lineup (=rebounds) that is also fairly quick. ------------------ "There are some frauds so well conducted that it would be stupidity not to be deceived by them." Charles Caleb Colton (1780-1832)
How did we upgrade the 4 more than any other position? How was our expectations too high? We expected someone to guard the likes of Webber, McDyess and such. We weren't expecting him to hold them to 0 points or what not just to hold his own against them and be able to score about 15 per and grab about 7-10 rebounds per night since we did him such a favor of releasing him from NBA purgatory. The fact that he averaged 17pts and 7 boards a night in LA, is proof enough that he has played mediocre thus far. ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
Ever since the first rumour Mo might come to H-town, I never expected very much from him in the first place so really Mo is delvering exactly what i thought he would..... bugger all ------------------ In 1993-94 Mugsy Bogues averaged more boards for the season than Mo is this season!!
On whether I'd resign Mo next year Am I impressed with Mo so far?Not really,but maybe my expectations were too high for him;16pts 8rbds and 35mins.Whether or not I think he should be resigned depends largely on how much he's asking for,I tend to go right along with CAT on this one;8 mill no way 5-6 mill absolutely. ------------------ The National Basketball Association obviously revolves directly around Bob Finn's Fantasy Basketball League!
5-6 mil is a fair amount for Mo, and I feel his presence is important in the frontcourt for the Rockets. Every post I see slamming him only looks at stats or just slams him in general. When I evaluate Mo and any player for that matter, I like to look at his skills and abilities on the basketball court and how he fits into the team. Thats what stays with you long term not some short term slumps. On the offensive side of the ball, Mo definitely has the skills Im looking for in a PF. Despite his only averaging 10 PPG, which I feel is very temporary, I still feel that there are very few PFs with the kind of complete offensive skills that Mo has. He possesses the type of efficient high pct scoring ability Im looking for. I want a PF that can score with ease, be able to just turn and shoot on the low block or face up and score with a high frequency. I would love for this team to get a banger to back up Mo Taylor but if they just throw away Taylor, it will hurt them down the line imho. I would hate this team to become Philadelphia south where such a large majority of scoring comes from the guards, and all the frontcourt can do is defend and rebound. Having atleast one legit post threat esp at playoff time is very important. The Sixers have been getting trounced every time they play a real opponent ie Western Conference team; their excellent record is purely a result of being in the Eastern Conference. On their Western portion of their schedule, they got waxed by everyone except Portland. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by MManal (edited December 12, 2000).]
Oh boy! The trolls ARE biting tonight. Good fishing. "Are they much better?" How could we be worse after adding Mo? You'd rather have last years' PF rotation? Mo+Kenny+Cato+Carlos+Pig > Kenny+Cato+Carlos+Pig How did we upgrade the 4 more than any other position? We only added 3 players over the offseason: Langhi, Collier and Taylor. Only 2 have seen any playing time. Taylor plays PF. Collier plays C and maybe PF. What position did we upgrade more than the 4? How was our expectations too high? Obviously. He's is putting up some statistics. Those statistics are real. "... and be able to score about 15 per and grab about 7-10 rebounds..." You were wrong. He is not grabbing that many boards. Your expectations were too high. Its easy to grab boards on a bad team. Somebody's gotta get a board. Even bad teams get 65-70% or so of the defensive boards. Think all of the rebounds after missed free throws. Are the statistics wrong? Or were your expectations too high?
Smeg, You are a stellar evaluator of talent. Better than the Rockets staff or any other cc.net reader. All the more amazing that you manage to be so astute only watching one NBA game a week. ------------------ I miss Charles. [This message has been edited by jamcracker (edited December 12, 2000).]
Jam, yeah, yeah, takes a genius to work out Mo is a stud with a phobia of the key way I had my views before he was rockets and hoped the change in team would turn things around, still hoping ......just and regarding the games thats at the moment last season i had piles of games sent over by a mate who was leaving in the US, which rockets 'r'us was supposed to be taking over but seems to have backed out. Thanks Smeg ------------------ In 1993-94 Mugsy Bogues averaged more boards for the season than Mo is this season!!
Booster, I love Chicken Fried Steak!! So where is the gravy? IMO, gravy goes better with Chicken Fried Steak than Mashed Potatoes. But, I can't enjoy my Chicken Fried Steak without one or the other. What I hate is string beans as a side order. I need more substance!!
Trolls huh? I won't get into a shouting match with you since I find it pointless. Did we add a PF? Yes has he had ANY impact whatsoever? NO! Does the defense double him? No. Does he rebound? No. Has he been a scoring threat at all? No. Have we improved over last year? No. Let me show you something. Last year Kenny Thomas averaged 8.3 points per and 6.1 boards per on 25 minutes per game Carlos Rogers averaged 8 points and 5.2 boards per in 20 minutes. Now I know stats don't tell the whole story but in this case it does. This is not to say Kenny and Carlos are better than Maurice but to show that in this very same system they have outperformed him. As far as my expectations being to high thats B.S. He averaged 17 points per game on a team which contained Derrick Anderson, Lamar Odom, and Tyrone Nesby. He also grabbed 6.5 boards per game. So asking for 15 and 7 was not asking for much. As far as playing on a bad team = easy rebounds that is the biggest B.S. I have ever heard. The last 2-3 years the Golden State Warriors have been among the league leaders in rebounding. Mo Taylor has disapointed. There has been no other way to put it. ------------------ "We need to fockass".....Dream back in the day
