Would you trade three first-rounders for Webber next year?

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In a heartbeat! Put a low post presence on this team and I think we become one of the most feared teams in the league. Also imagine CWebb and Cato roaming the defensive paint together....scary!

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Isn't he a free agent next year? We don't need to give up any picks for a FA. If the question then is do we sign him for the max next year, then no. I wouldn't do that. We're free from Barkley, Clyde, Pippen and almost Dream. Why hook up long term with another aging veteran? He might be at the top of his game now, but I'm <U>TIRED</U> of watching star players' skill erode in a Rockets uni.

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Tb-Cain, have you been hanging around with Sam Mack lately?

Webber will be 28 this time next year. If we signed him for 6 years, he'll only be 34 when the contract is over.

The guy is in his prime. If we have a chance to sign him to the max, and we don't, we're r****ded.

This is nothing close to Drexler, Barkley, or Pippen.

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Webber is not an aging veteran. He is just now reaching the peak of his game. He would fit right in with the young team the rockets have right now.

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Oh my bad, looks like you beat me to it Rocket Man. And about your comment, the draft did nothing to convince me that the rockets front office isnt r****ded.

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I'm so glad TB-Cain aint the Rockets GM. If Webber is an aging veteran than so is Shaq. They are both close to 28. If he wanted to come here and we didnt give him the max, we'd be the laughing stock of the entire sports industry.

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Rocketman95,

Speaking of Sam Mack, I wonder if he was on his way to, or leaving from C-Web? Or does C-Web only traffic drugs through airports?

Francis3,

C-Web is one of the top 5 players right now. Exactly my point: right now. By the time Francis, Mobley, Anderson, etc. are experienced enough to take it to the next level, where will C-Web be then? I want someone who can grow with the team.

ROckets03,

Laugh all you want, but after this season is over, Shaq will be in his 10th year. 315+ lb men don't age well. Ask Sabonis. Not interested.

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Sorry T-Cab, just don't buy your logic. Otis Thorpe and Kevin Willis are both turning 38 in a month or so, and still are reasonably effective. And those guys NEVER were in the same league Chris Webber is now. Webber will be great at least 5 more years, merely "very good" thereafter. That should work just find with Francis's, Mobley's (hopefully if we keep him), Shandon's, Collier's, Langhi's and Cato's (if we keep him) peaking.

Also, Karl Malone turns 37 in a few weeks, and he is pretty good power forward now too, even if we don't like to admit it. I like you comparison with Shaq, though for a different reason. Webber may not last quite as long as Shaq, but 6' 10" 250 guys who can handle and pass like a guard, while shooting and defending very good for their position, tend to last almost as long as 7 1' 330 pounders who have athleticism.

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Among those first rounders were Penny Hardaway, who was the #3 pick of that year, and it also cost them #5 this year, Mike Miller.

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Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.

 

I would not give up 3 picks for Cwebb unless he agreed in advance for an extension.
Cwebb is definetely one of the top 5 players in the game, but he is nearing the point in his career that he may begin looking for the best team to get a ring with. That probably isn't with the Rockets until maybe 2003 (especially if we have to give up 3 1st round picks). What I mean is a nucleus of Webber-Francis-Anderson-Mobley is fine but Stevie & Mobley still need to mature and learn how to play in the plaoffs (look how long it took Joprdan to get to a champion level & how many series the talented Lakers were swept).
I think after next year C-webb either stays in Sac. if they make an effort to improve or will go to a championship caliber team needing a PF (Miami, Lakers, Orlando if they can sign some FA & their nine 1st round draft picks over the next 4 years).
Just my thoughts but I don't think Webber comes here unless we make gigantic strides next year and becomes a very good team w/out Webber.

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What are you smoking? Webber is one of the top PFs in the league. PFs with size and range tend to last a while in the NBA. Look at Charles and Malone. A 4-5 year contract would be ideal, but his agent will probably shoot for a longer one to lock in in till retirement.

His injury his 2nd and 3rd year was largely due to a dislocated/separated shoudler. He opted not to get surgery the first time and reinjured the same shoulder so he missed the rest of the season. He did eventually get surgery on the shoulder and since then he has had minor injuries. The injury has not slowed him down in any way, unlike those of Jayson Williams.

Comparing Shaq to Sabonis is crazy. Shaq is a freak of nature. He has size, power, agility, and speed. He will continue to dominate.



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good points 4chuckie.

Tb-cain also makes some good points and I have to sorta agree with him.

By the time that we're truly ready to win the championship, Webber will be around 31 or 32. He will STILL be a very good player but he will be on the downfall of his career. And if we dont win the championship, then Webber will only age more and by the time he's 34 or 35, he won't be a great player, just a good one. He wont be all that good either becuz he wont be able to run the floor as well and play as good defense.

I really like Webber now, and I think we'd be a very good team if we signed him, but we cant just rely on Webber to lead us to a championship. Francis, Mobley, Cato, etc. have to all mature and reach the playoff level. LOOk at Vince Carter- he didnt have a very good playoff run against NY. And in the regular season he absoultely torched NY every game that he played against them.

We'll only win the championship with everybody contributing on the PLAYOFF LEVEL, and by that time, Webber wont be the player that he is now.

We'd be better off saving all that cap space from Hakeem's retirement and signing someone like Lamar Odom when he's a free agent. Plus dont we have to re-sign Francis, Anderson, etc. Will we have to save cap space for them or not?

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shhhhh. Did you hear that? Listen. Yep, that's what I thought. A voice of reason. Thanks, snowman.

As for comparing Shaq to Sabonis, just wait. A few more years of running the court, going high for the rebounds, blocks and dunks is going to wear on the knees. He may be the man of steel, but I'm pretty sure his cartiledge is just cartiledge. Happy scoping.

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TB-
I kind of agree with you about aging happening pretty quickly. Dream is nowhere near where he was in his prime (only 5-6 years ago) and yeah his breathing didn't help things.
CB lost alot of athletic ability pretty quickly too. I n his pre-Houston days he could actually get rebounds by jumping over taller players on occasion but once he arrived in Houston he was to the point that he gots his rebounds by using his body, that big butt really helped ,his intelligence about how to rebound, and with hustle. Although Charles was still a good player he wasn't nearly a athletic as he was just 3-4 years earlier. And I think CB carries, for his stature, as much weight as Shaq.
So basically what I am saying is yeah heavier (no I'm not callind Dream fat, so noone get offended) players can loose alot of athletic ability pretty quickly, but most of these guys can adjust somewhat with intelligence.
But I agree that getting Cwebb now probably doesn't fit, since our core is still a couple of years of experience away from hopefully being a championship team.

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I think it would be nuts not not to try to sign Webber as a free agent . That is the avenue I thought we were talking about. Besides we wouldn't try to trade for Webber, if Webber comes here it is because we will have the best group of guards to surround him with and be the best team under the cap in 2001--both of which a tradw would break up. Trading (giving up our young guards) would defeat our purpose and HIS--namely to sign with the team that gives him the best chance to win a title who also can pay him the max (with a little extra cap manovering).

It is quicker guards that peak out and go down hill much quicker than tall, strong and skilled big men. Look how long Malone, Willis and Thorpe have been decent players in the league, and it is very possible Webber has 9 years left as well, 4 at an elite PF level. Further my hunch is that Webber will remain in the league playing effective every bit as long as Shandon will, maybe Mobley too. I don't think the timing would be that far off either, we wouldn't be asking Webber to carry the team but be a co-star while he is still a great player, and a role player thereafter (33/34+). If we kept all the pieces together and barring major injuries, we would have legitimate title chances at least from 2002 until 2005, that is about all you can hope for and well worth signing a guy at the max for. Again, we would be absolutely nuts to not sign Webber thinking a younger or better player might be available to us down the line.

BTW-I miss read the point about Shaq. Shaq is going to be darn good quite a while, this should have been the point of mentioning Shaq. It is the big guys that stay effective longer, especially is they have some finese skill too--just think of Malone or Kareem or Wilt, the latter of which at 40+ supposedly could dominate a gym with curret Lakers playing too. I am not saying Webber will last as long as these guys, but I like the odds of Webber lasting pretty long given his skills and the fact he is still getting better as his shooting becomes more consistent.

[This message has been edited by sir scarvajal (edited July 12, 2000).]

 

We've got to be at least over .500 next year and a playoff team to have a shot at Webber. He's stated many times that he wants to play for a contender. If we're in contention with Detroit and Sacto, I think we have alot more to offer:

(1)RudyT- helluva lot better than Rick Adelman, and Detroit's new coach. players love to play for Rudy.

(2)Excellent nucleus in Francis, Mobley (if stays), and Shandon has the chance to contend for many years to come. Sacto has an aging Center in Divac, a shooting guard who can't shoot in Nick the brick, and a PG who shoots and turns it over waaay too much.

-Only problem could be if Jalen and Mo. Taylor sign with the Pistons, Webber may want to reunite. But, after they suck next year without Hill, Webber will probably opt for Houston or Sacto.

Also,we have to consider that if he's desperate, he'll sign with the Fakers for the exception....(uh-oh)

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If Webber would possibly sign with Detroit next year, the Pistons would be fools to sign M Taylor this year.

Mango

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In 5 years, C-Web will be 33. If I recall correctly, Dream had his best post season at 33. Karl Malone also. And how about Jordan at 33. Clyde Drexler dragged Houston into the playoffs while Maxwell and Dream were anemic at 33. How about Barkley and Robinson at 33, both within 2 years of their MVP seasons and still going strong. I can't wait
to Shack at 33, if you think he's good now...
What I'm getting at is renounce the whole freaking roster next year (except Francis)
and sign this guy for 10 years if you can!

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