http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/08/hey_brian_brian_windhorst_answ_26.html I don't like the idea of losing Shane, but Big Z would fit like a glove AND he is a big expiring contract. This would further open up a deal for Landry that would net us a perimeter player. Landry for Sessions? Shane and Brian Cook for Big Z works in the trade machine...Forgive me for being speculative, but it is brutal on the board right now, and I thought this would be fun to think about. I think the Cavs would love it...As for the Rockets... Aaron Brooks Tracy Mcgrady Trevor Ariza Luis Scola Zydrunas Ilgauskas --------------------------- Kyle Lowry Chuck Hayes David Andersen (Carl Landry)(Ramon Sessions)(Raymond Felton)? We would free up a TON of cap room with this deal, and I think we would be BIG players in the playoffs if Tracy is healthy...
If they throw in an unprotected first rounder that we can take any time over the next 3 years - then maybe! Ilgauskus is much maligned - but he can still shoot the 15' and is a decent shot-blocker who can protect the rim (a little). I'm fairly sure Morey has been making moves to allow Adelman to go uptempo this season though - so I'm not sure what effect Ilgauskus would have on that! All told, I think I'd say "pass" unless we were sure of getting a top 15 draft along with big Z.
I'm glad you are thinking outside the box,but it would all depend on what Big Z could get for us. Felton and Sessions are nice players but not enough. A 2 for 1 with a Center/PG or SG is what we need,I think it will be very hard to get what we need for Z's expiring contract even with Cook and Barry IMO. Shane for Z doesn't work cap wise anyway. Shane,Cook and Barry for Z works,provided if Pops,White are cut. This could yield a 11 M player(s),however I'm of the opinion that a poor fit "star'',is what we might end up getting around the trade deadline. Valuable young talent is harder to obtain. Moving Tracy will be harder because of his huge contract.
Long term it could be a great idea however I am still not giving up on this season. If it could work both ways then all the best but pushing to retool to get the best possible roster for this season is still the primary goal.
I think Big Z would be a HUGE upgrade to Chuck and David Andersen. Honestly, Big Z's expiring might be more valueable than what we could get with Shane right now. If we traded Shane and Cook for Big Z, (Which does work under the cap) We would have 35 MILLION, expire next year... These are just random thoughts by the way... ( Devils Advocate)
a big no. 1) if you haven't noticed, we're trying to go younger, more athletic, faster, quicker... big Z does not possess those qualities 2) he's incapable of playing big minutes. 3) he's a perimeter oriented big man, and that does nothing to help us. shane can get us better players/picks.
1) So we signed David Andersen? 2) He does not need too, see (David Andersen) 3) Except open up the lanes for Aaron Brooks and our "younger, more athletic, faster, quicker" players... 4) Fits an Adelman offense perfectly, See (the old/slow) Vlade Divac... Can Shane get us better players than the max contract Big Z would net us next year?
we really don't know how big of a role andersen will play next year under adelman YET, or how good he really is as a player in the NBA. vlade was a unique player b/c he was a GREAT passer and can trigger the fastbreak and handle the ball (yes, he did know how to handle the ball at times) i don't know what shane can get us, though your proposal is definitely more intriguing than most that have been brought up.
No because we let him expire to sign D-WADE BAYBEEH! Unless he is willing to resign for the Vet Min. He'd be like the anti-Mutombo. All offense, no defense haha. Ok, he would never be as good a Deke, but he is a servicable backup. Then, we can have Anderson play C or PF off the bench. We will need him in this role, especially at PF if we have traded Landry. If we are thinking long term, I really like this move. For next season, not so much.
Yao's player option will cut into it,but by how much I'm not sure. Money will talk for sure,however there might be a reluctance to come to H-town,with his injury history,if players can sign with their own teams,or elsewhere in a sign and trade. I like the fact that you are playing Devil's Advocate.
Yup I agree, If we can combine players and get a young star/type player, than this trade is moot. It could be a decent alternative though because of the lack of options there seem to be in unloading a contract, while getting a quality player in return. Especially a decent C, which like you said I don't know if we even have one right now... If we can get a better, younger player for a similar deal, well that is just dandy and for sure the right direction. WHO CAN IT BE??? IT'S KILLING ME!!!
I didn't know that Yao's option would cut into it like that. It can't be much can it? McGrady and Big Z would give us 34 million in expiring contracts. Right now we are about 12 million over the cap. I don't really understand how it works, but it seems like with all the players we have on 1 year deals(We need to think about Scola and Brooks/Lowry etc re-signing possibly) that we would be able to put some cash together???
Big Z will not make us contenders this season. So he is effectively an expirer. Shane is worth more than an expirer. Morey would have to be on crack to make this trade.
If Battier is traded, the best time might be at the trade deadline. When playoff bound teams trying to bolster their squad might offer young/future assets. Cavs don't really have anything there. Big Z on the Rockets as they are is just an expiring contract.
Bima Thug is the right guy to ask this question. I know it will cut into it,but by how much,I'm not sure. We would have to use some of that money to re-sign our own players if DM wants to. I like Luis a lot,but I don't want to give him 6M for 3-5 yrs. If we can get a solid,young player,I would consider moving him too. I'm of the opinion that the Yao/Tracy experiment is over,and we need to rebuild with picks and cap room like OKC.
