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Would you trade Hakeem for Shareef AND Big Country?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 17, 2001.

  1. Clutch

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    First off, I want to say how relieved I am this is out there. Damn Cato. If I had to wait another week before this came out, raising more suspicions and doubts that this was legitimately going on, and had to put up with another pansy ass like "NewGuy", I probably wouldn't have made it. I really had a hard time the last few days because there were tons of questions being aimed at me and little fringe sites coming out saying there was nothing at all going on with Hakeem. Anyhow, thanks to Doc Rocket for the great scoop a week and a half ago.

    My question is a hypothetical scenario so don't get too many ideas.

    Would you trade Dream in some package for Shareef and Big Country?

    Keep in mind Big Country is a Big Joke on the salary cap. In 2003 you are paying over $14 million alone to him.... he's dead weight for 3 or 4 more years, and for a team like the Rockets trying to find the right pieces around a young, energetic, explosive team, that is near suicidal.

    You also lose all cap room that Hakeem provided (Shareef also is making the max), and you run the risk of losing Taylor.

    There's no doubting Shareef's talent, though he's not the greatest defender in the world.

    Anyhow, would like to hear the answers, though I think it may be moot: I believe in the end the Rockets will just let Dream go and sign where he wants to sign. The cap room is viewed as too precious.

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  2. slcrocket

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    Yes.

    Please say this is something more than just idle curiosity...even if you already said it wasn't. [​IMG]

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  3. countingcrow

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    NO!

    BIG Country is BIG Trouble!

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  4. R0ckets03

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    Up until today I would have said yes, trade Hakeem for Big and Shareef. But after thinking about it I changed my mind. We have Steve, Shandon and Mobley who will usually play in crunch situations. That means we need a pretty big and intimidating front court. Mo at center and Raheem at 4 does not make that much sense. People would be driving in on us like crazy. And I dont think I need to remind anyone on how oppsing teams get offensive rebs on us. Having Cato can help, but his butt is always injured. Plus the restraints by Biggie are just too much. I say we release Hakeem. In the off season we need to sign Shandon and Mo. Then with out various picks we need to try to move up in the draft. I dont think we are going to get Webber. Thats okay though. I dont think we will make the playoffs this year. So with our pick and the picks we hopefully have coming this year will help us improve next year. Then we need to go for the big free agent in 2002.

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  5. The Voice of Reason

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    Honestly Clutch, NO WAY

    I love Rahim, I Would like to see him play with steve and cat.

    but to be forced to take on Big country in the deal for 4 years is terrible. Now it the Rockets owners were willing to waive big country and eat the cap taxes than by all mean bring it on.

    My ,ain reason for my reasoning is that the Rockets are already a good team. they have what it takes to beat any team in the league. Why dont we... youth. and at the same time tradition. without Hakeem the rockets will have a ton of youth and no big fella to slow them down. The team will deffinately lose something special with hakeem, but it will allow the coaches to run practice differently, and therefore to run the games differently. This years Rockets are like 2 years agos Kings. Flashy young and scaring the big boys. If we keep shandon he wont be cheap. Mo will cost us even more. and yes even though its years away. Steve is gonna go for Max. even guys like the mooch are gonna need more. Sure with the Cap raise and the exceptions we would have room for a little something, but I think our guys are verry good now, and when they get closer to their prime the Rockets will be a top 5 team. Taking on another overpaid center would kill this teams future. especially if he is a big doofy one that casnt run the floor.


    whatever. just my opinions

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  6. cometsluv4play

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    if big Country's in the deal.....NO!!! if vancouver wants Hakeem bad enough and rid of Harrington bad enough,....they will deal. i say Hakeem, KT, and picks or Rahim, Harrington and Swift [​IMG]



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  7. outlaw

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    i would. Reef is too good to pass up for just a slight opportunity at Webber.
     
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    I would do it. You NEED two superstars nowadays and Francis and Reef would be lethal within two years. Country could be a decent role player...enough to contribute to a play off team anyway.

    Within a few years, we'd be a genuine contender...and he'd be coming off contract about that very time, thus clearing cap room etc.

    Like I said, you need two superstars. Getting them together is the hard part...so any baggage along the way is worth it.


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  9. tinman

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    Hell No, I wouldn't trade dream for Big Country (this guy really sucks) and Shareef (he's good, but we need BOARDS). I'd keep Dream til the end of the year, like it or not and after he leaves sign WEBBER.


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    I dont think its about Webber or Raheem. Even if we are not getting Webber, trading for Raheem would be a mistake. Lets improve through picks this year and hit the free agent pot next year. Does anyone know who is a free agent next year?

    On Big Country, I dont think he is that bad. He just doesnt fit our system.

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  11. tinman

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    Have you been keeping up with the NBA at all? it IS ABOUT WEBBER! He is the BIG free agent after this season. Every team in the NBA is after him, and he would fit great with the Rockets. He will provide us the inside game and BOARDS we need. I don't want to trade Dream. If he wants to go, then he should tell the fans when his last game in the Rockets uniform will be so we can pay homage. I bought tickets to the Minesota Game in April, he better be there.


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    the free agents in the summer of 2002 are crappy... Jerome Williams and Rodney Rogers are the only worth giving 5 mill or more to...

    here's a complete list
    http://www.realgm.com/freeagent3.php

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  13. JeffB

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    I'd do it. Reef is a 20 point/10 rebound a game guy who can play the 4 or 3. Sure he is too slow to play most 3s but few 4s can keep up with him. A guy like Reef is hard to come across, you take them when you can. Reef can be that big presence down low for us. Sure Country kills the cap, but we'd have Reef (the final piece) anyway. BC has a decent jumpshot and fromt he games I have seen puts forth a good effort at rebounding and defense. He'd be servicable. Way over paid, but servicable.

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    No! Bringing Big Country into Houston with that outrageous contract makes me feel depressed. This Country guy will kill team morale. I really cant bear the thought of having guys like Mobley and Francis(who go balls to walls every single night) making 3 times less money than some piece of crap who sits over on the bench sweating off his late night fridge attacks.

    The number one thing I love about this team is the connections they have with eachother. Lets not screw that up.

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    No, because with Countries HUGEcontract the deal basically breaks down to Dream, Mo and Shan leaving while the Rocks get Reef and Reeves, which leaves a terrible lineup.

    pg-Stevie
    sg-Cat
    sf-Reef
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  16. Ace

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    The first time I heard about the possiblity of this trade, my blind perspective as a rabid Rockets fan just saw the name. Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Olympian. Budding All-Star. The player in Vancouver. Heck, I spent most of my time in the chat room the other day begging for his arrival.

    After coming to some degree of sense, I realized that Shareef probably won't solve our problems, and will likely handcuff the Rockets for years to come (albeit indirectly).

    There is a reason why Vancouver wants to get rid of SAR. Sure, there's the cap. But, there's also another one which could even be more crucial. Vancouver believes it cannot win with Shareef as its core. Why should the Rockets think that his addition will take us to the promised land?
    Recently, he was yanked in the 4th quarter. Big player, but no big plays down the stretch. He scores and rebounds, but he's not dominant. He defends, but is not spectacular.
    Granted, I have a limited view on this. I've only seen Shareef play about 15-20 times in his career. Not much. I do, however, look around the internet and have come to realize that he is not the big man the Rockets need.
    We need energy, domination, attitude. We need a presence. SAR will give us spectacular numbers, for sure. But are we willing to put all our marbles on the table for this guy? I sure as heck am not ready to.

    And I haven't even gone into Big Country and Webber's so-called ties to Houston...

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    Why is their this underlying consensus here that we are getting Webber and thus we should all wait for that????? At best, it's a long shot...

    If we could get Reef now...do it.

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    On Big Country,

    The only reason this guy is bashed so much is because of his contract. Because of this, people believe he is much worse than he really is.

    He is not a scrub. He is quite decent. In recent games he's actually showing that he can bring something to any team. He is a decent rebounder, and has a soft touch around the basket. A few days ago, he scored 31 points.

    He's not good and not worth his contract, no. But he's not as bad as he's made out to be, that's for sure.

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  19. tinman

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    To KidRoc,

    Dude, who cares about summer 2002/03, the rockets need to get someone from summer 2001/02 (after this season).

    We need someone to rebound and play defense (look how good Philly is with Ratliff). Besides Webber, Mutumbo is out there this summer too. That would be good too!


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    If some cap expert can please tell us one thing. Would we be able to afford Mo and Shan with Shareef and Biggie. If not this year would Shan and Mo wait one more year to get bigger contracts?

    Why does anyone think Webber will come here? Yeah there are some reasons for him to come here. But I think he will ultimately decide to stay put.

    Also is this a championship contender?
    starters:
    Cato
    Mo
    Raheem
    Shan
    Steve

    bench:
    Reeves
    Kenny
    Mobley
    Moochie

    I think it is. But I dont know if we can afford Shan and Mo? Also would Mobley go back to the bench if we did this trade?

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