Would you "gut" the Rockets for a shot at CWebb? Part 1

Ummmm... I would love to have Webber+ spree and Francis+moblely together. But as i look at that, unless Langhi can contribute alot next year. (I havent seen postell play) It does leave us a little thin between Sg and Sf. Also at center, if dream doesnt stay, we would be terrible. But i see a conflict of personality on that team. I just dont think there would be enough shots to go around.

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Francis3422,

You posted that if we did this trade it would make us light at the SF position. I totally disagree and say we are a lot better off with Spree than Walt at the 3 spot. Also we could retool with our draft picks in the next draft. We could get some young talented big men in the 01' draft. We'll say that Dream either retires or goes somewhere else; we would then most likely be able to draft someone like Haywood from UNC to back up Collier at the 5. With the other talent on the team we would just double down on on the opponents staring center a lot. We would have the advantage at almost every other position besides the center spot.

This would be our lineup:

C- Collier/Haywood/Los
PF- MoT/KT/??
SF- Spree/Langhi/Bull/Postell
SG- Cat/Postell/Langhi/Steve
PG- Stevie/Moochie/??

That would be a good lineup better then what we have now without Hakeem.

I guess you don't recognize how much better Spree is than Walt. Spree can play D also.

There are always enough shots to go around.

Just quit the Iso's or learn to have other options when doing it.

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[This message has been edited by DaryleWard (edited December 30, 2000).]

 

This lineup looks better

Cato
Webber
Morris or Wallace
Cat
Francis


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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

Lil Francis, where's Shandon Anderson and Walt Williams? Is it Rasheed Wallace you have at the small forward position?



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I think that's a fair trade, and even might be a little lopsided in favor of the Knicks.

I would probably do it. Shandon's defense would be missed, but Sprewell isn't chopped liver on defense either. Cato and Walt I can do without.

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With the fear that Houston will opt out of his contract at the end of the season, it seems more plausible that the Knicks will use him as trade bait rather than Sprewell.

This seems more plausible.

houston trades: Carlos Rogers $2,200,000 to knicks
houston trades: Kelvin Cato $5,333,333 to knicks (BYC Value $2,666,667)
houston trades: Shandon Anderson $2,200,000 to knicks
houston trades: Walt Williams $4,250,000 to knicks
TOTAL: $13,983,333

knicks trades: Travis Knight $3,200,000 to houston
knicks trades: Allan Houston $9,000,000 to houston
TOTAL: $12,200,000

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to houston and knicks being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. houston and knicks had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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No doubt Allan Houston is better than Shandon Anderson, who gets a new start in this trade. Shandon also fits into their scheme a bit better than Rudy's. Since Houston will be up under the cap w/ plausibly, 5 other teams... the risk probably isn't as great that Houston will bolt as other teams might have to consider (those teams trading all star caliber players).

Kelvin Cato...

Carlos Rogers is another body for those guys to have, and apparently the guy isn't too keen in Rudy's eyes. Also, he's already mentioned going home to Detroit in a few seasons why not now?

I can't think of a real reason that the Knicks would want Walt Williams, but he's not too much of a gamble for those guys considering he's out of there in a season if he blows.

As a concilliatory (sp?) prize, the Knicks get rid of Travis Knight.

In the Rockets light, they obviously acquire an all star. In the best of all worlds, he stays and offers a true 1/2/3 combo considering he can shoot. In the worst of all worlds the Pippen fiasco is finished b/c Carlos', Walt's and Cato's salaries are gone and the Rockets are ~25M beneath the salary cap next year.

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HEB-Houston is also more of a big time SG, and can't really play SF full time, where would that leave Mobley? Who plays defense?

DaryleWard-If we're trading the better of our picks, unless the 2nd pick is #11 (that's the highest Milwaukee's could be), there's not even a remote chance for Haywood, unless he completely bombs the rest of the season or something like that happens. Haywood will be gone by the lottery. He may be overrated, but he's at worst the 3rd best center in the draft (Woods, Ming probably better, I don't consider Curry a center.)

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Shandon is underrated.

 

I think the chances of us getting Webber are extemely slim. Though he hasn't overtly said what he wants, it is readily apparent that he wants to go back to the east where he lives.

The guy will be THE most coveted free agent on the board in the summer and the Rockets would not be on the top of the list of contenders for his services, especially if Mo T continues to improve.

My concern with Webber is that, by the time Francis and Mobley really hit their prime as players (probably 5 years or so - doesn't mean they won't be very good in 2 or 3 but even Jordan didn't hit his peak until he was nearing 30), Webb will be on the decline.

I would rather see us with guys all about the same age that are able to grow together over 10 years or so i.e. Stockton/Malone.

I love Webber's game, but he wants a place to go where he can compete for the title right now and EVERY YEAR. The Rockets still have a few seasons before they are seriously contending for a title.

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I still think CWeb is going to stay in Sacramento. Obviously he'll go where money is, but the Kings can match the maximum, so I think that's a moot point. He may want to go back east, but he's doing so well in Sacramento, I can't see him leaving. He's got a great nucleus, a team built around him, plenty of press, and a chance to win the title. Sacramento was where Webber really came into his own and disowned the thug reputation for superstardom.

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Jeff, that's the by-God truth.
I believe New York is entertaining the idea for a trade. You can bet they've rung a few phones in the last two months. Glen Rice is absolutely wasting away on that team because he's playing behind Houston and Sprewell. I'd love to get Sprewell here---the boy's fierce; he's the only Knicks player that makes that team worth watching---but my guess is that Sprewell will stay because the Knicks want to lure Webber next year. Webber is currently on one of the league's best teams. He can sign an extension whenever he wants. But he's given no indication of staying. He'll (quietly?) demand a trade between now and the beginning of next season.
I have imagined a trade with the Knicks, but we would end up with Houston. That's fine, especially considering the salary cap situation. But we have Cat. And Houston will opt out of his contract, possibly leaving his team in the lurch. If we could send Houston to a third team for either a small forward/shooting guard type, or for a high draft pick, that'd work. The Bulls? For Artest? And change? But Houston could say, "Chicago sucks, why would I stay here?"
Unless Houston wants to play small ball here.
It'd be great to get an Allan Houston here, someone with experience, to offset our knucklebrained youth, but right now I'm betting we'll hold onto knuckle-brained youth.

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Damn, to think this post's title refers to getting Webber here, not Houston. Let me get back on track.
Man, that'd be great!
Won't happen.
Get Marc Jackson instead.
Oops, there I go again.

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Nope Gerald Wallace and Anderson won't be back. I think he will leave.



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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

Jeff,

Stockton and Malone have not won SQUAT !!

Did Kobe and Shaq grow up together? Did Duncan and Robinson?

How about looking at the Rockets championship teams. Here are the main contributors.

Hakeem - Home grown
Maxwell - Trade for cash
K. Smith - Trade
O. Thorpe - Trade
Horry - Draft
Cassell Draft
Elie - Trade
Drexler - Trade

It takes a mixture of both, and there are NO guarentees that a team all the same age will grow together, they could all grow apart.

I personally think the only thing lacking on this team is veteran leadership, and I think CWebb would bring that.

DaDakota

PS. I would not make the trade, because I HATE Sprewell.

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From a Rockets PR standpoint, trading for Spree would probably be a killer. New York fans are cool about Sprewell and his rap . . . Houston fans would be outraged.

I don't want to get off-topic here, but we have really low attendance. Houstonians have really, really low tolerance levels. After a subpar season, the games are rarely attended and people care more about the Titans than our own team . . . If we brought in someone who choked his coach, the Rockets' public respect would plummet and the city would be angry. Regardless of how it affects the team positively, it's a bad move for the organization because this city wouldn't tolerate it.

[This message has been edited by Vengeance (edited December 30, 2000).]

 

Hmmmmmmmm...
No offense, but this is kinda dumb.
Would you trade...
Steve Francis and Matt Bullard for
Marcus Camby, T. Knight, and Chris Childs and New Yorks 1st rounder???
HELL NO!!!! So why would the Knicks trade their most electrifying and popular player.
(trades have to be balanced to work)

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You really see collier starting over haywood?

I like Jason, but i think that Haywood is and will be the better player.

I dont see spree coming here. Not enough shots for all of these guys. Steve would be passing the WHOLE game.