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would you be happy if we won 50 games using iso?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Nov 1, 2002.

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iso & playoffs or work on new offense & miss playoffs?

  1. strictly iso and make the playoffs

    37 vote(s)
    44.6%
  2. work on "5 man" and miss the playoffs

    46 vote(s)
    55.4%
  1. verse

    verse Member

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    if we were to use the iso offense all season long and won 50 games (making the playoffs) would you be happy? or would you rather we worked on the more cohesive 5 man offense - risking winning significantly less games? what would make you happier?



    *strictly* iso offense and 50 wins (playoffs)

    or

    work on new 5 man offense and have, say, 35 wins (missing playoffs)


    personally i'd rather see us lose while working on a more cohesive offense, but i'm curious if the bbs would sacrifice a season to do so.
     
  2. Achebe

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    We can add wrinkles later. As boring as a "strictly ISO" game is... winning is a cure all.

    Not that running the new wrinkles and winning are exclusive, however.
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I don't care if Stevie takes all the shots as long as we win games and so something in the playoffs.
     
  4. Rocketability

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    Hard to choose! But I'd rather they work on team ball and miss the playoffs this year, because they are a very young team that would be togehter for 8-10 years at least.

    Don't be short-sighted!
     
  5. solid

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    This is a very interesting question; it made me really think. You know, I would rather work on a 'team-oriented" offense. Sports is primarily entertainment, and I hate the way the Rockets play. It is so frustrating to watch, win or lose. The "Steve against the world" approach will never go far anyway. Thanks for the question.
     
  6. cujo

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    Iso is just frustrating to watch. It's like playing a video game. I want to see a team play as a team. No Isos!!
     
  7. A-Train

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    I think the prevailing theory around here is that we WON'T win with an isolation oriented offense, as evidenced against Indiana, so this poll is pretty pointless...
     
  8. Nero

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    Go a step beyong 'just making the playoffs' ..

    If we did stick primarily with the iso's, and somehow miraculously
    managed to sneak into the playoffs using that style of play, I have
    no doubts that we would be swept out in the first round.

    So is that really all that much of an improvement? The teams,
    coaching, and defenses are all much better in the playoffs than
    in the regular season, so just about any playoff opponent should
    be able to figure out a way to stop a Steve-and-a-bunch-of-bit-
    players' offense.

    What we really want ultimately is a *contender*, not just to get
    a team in to get a taste of the playoffs. I don't think this team can
    ever become a true contender without every member of the team
    being a legitimate contributor. Yao at the high post, Rice/Nachbar
    spotting up, EG swatting shots and getting tip-ins, Mobley and
    Francis working *within* the offense instead of in spite of it.. heck
    then you still have MoT, Kenny, TMo, and others there to help too.

    On the other hand, I bet Rudy sells out to make the playoffs in
    any way possible this season, and if that means letting Steve and
    Cat play dribble-dribble-shoot all season, then so be it. Maybe a
    taste of the playoffs, and getting slapped down by the Lakers or
    the Kings or the Mavs will be all these kids need to convince them
    that, in order to have real success, they MUST get everyone
    involved.



    Ciao
     
  9. pasox2

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    I'm with Solid. It's bad tv. When watching those late, west-coast games, and the girls are already asleep, I see "two shakes" and ...huh, (Yawn)... zzzzz.

    I invariably wake at 3:00 am, read the loss report on the 'puter, and am stuck unable to sleep again. Curses, you damn iso menance.
     
  10. Moe

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    Iso, for me, is excruciating to watch. If there were no shot clock, would you want the Rocks to freeze the ball for one shot per half if they could make the playoffs? I can find better things to do than watch that ****.
     
  11. OverRRated

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    Yeah, I hope we do keep this ISO crap, slightly make the playoffs just so we can get swept and blown out in every game of the first round.

    :confused:
     
  12. GATER

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    Aside from the fact that the ISO's are painfully boring to watch, running a guard oriented ISO style:

    1) Promotes standing around on offensive.

    2) Allows 3 or 4 opponents to conserve energy while on the defensive end of the court.

    3) Stunts the low post growth of Griffin and Ming.

    4) Discourages FA's from signing a Rockets MCE - all things being equal, why sign with Houston if all you do is play D and never get touches? It sure doesn't up your market value. (Shandon came here when Dream and Chuck were playing - both good passers).

    5) Takes a poor "team defense" type team off the hook - they only need one good on the ball defender.

    6) Makes the team a lottery team when the key ISO player(s) is injured.
     
  13. verse

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    all of that is 100% true, GATER, however does that mean you're against winning with the iso and would be willing to lose with the 5 man?
     
  14. RocksMillenium

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    I don't care if they played horse, if they win 50 games and made the playoffs h*ll yeah I would take it! Obviously it's not a guarantee the Rockets would get swept in the playoffs. If you run an offense and win 50 games and make the playoffs obviously the offense is good. I mean there were people complaining about the inside-out attack the Rockets used saying it was boring and there was no movement. Yet the Rockets got to the WCFs with it so it depends on the players and how they execute.
     
  15. Yaniv

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    Good question , but i dont think that we are going to win 50 games using iso . We have to change our offensive scheme if we want to go to the next level.
    The real question should be if we can win 50 games using iso and getting into the playoffs .
     
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  16. GATER

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    verse - Sorry I failed to mention it - I voted for the 5 man.

    In my mind, there are degrees of losing. A major difference in feelings after the 28 win season and the 45 win non-playoff season. 40 or 41 exciting wins will keep me happy...especially if they are against the WC powers.

    I should also say that, IMHO the Rox would not have a losing season with any ball/player movement offense. They may struggle on the learning curve, but the positive results would be shows in months not seasons.

    And one last point - I don't personally don't think there would be much of an attendance drop off between the 50 win ISO team and the 41 win "now you see it, now you don't, whip the ball around, get the hell out of our way 'cause we're headed to the other end of the floor" type team.
     
  17. HoRockets

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    The last time an NBA team won the Championship with a pure ISO offense is NEVER. I don't care if they win 50. I care if the are trying to win it all.
     
  18. verse

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    GATER,

    i tend to believe there would be an attendance INCREASE, even with less wins.
     
  19. RocDreamer

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    I would love to have the rockets win 50 games. Notice I did NOT say SEE the rockets win 50 games that way. It is so painful to watch. Great that they would win, but dont think I could sit through 50 games of ISO bball. But I could definately watch the playoffs.:D
     
  20. verse

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    hmmm....interesting results.
     

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