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World War III

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by droxford, Jul 29, 2024.

  1. Dairy Ashford

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    It's World War Brown; not in our town: muslims step up, jews knock 'em down
     
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  2. dobro1229

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    I thought I read the dumbest thing of the day today in the Trump 24 thread until I saw this gem.

    Tell me Basso exactly what has changed in regards to Israeli policy with the Trump administration vs the Biden administration?? Do not stand behind some online troll from Russia's tweet. Tell us exactly what you are trying to say here instead of posting like a coward trying to say things hiding behind troll tweets to say them yourself.

    Get into the weeds. Tell us exactly what you think is wrong, and what Trump did right on foreign policy with Israel.
     
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  3. dobro1229

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    World wars are always in the cards. Regardless of Israel or not.

    In 1948, the UN led by the US made Israel a state as a form of reparations for the crimes of WW2, and that state was smack dab in the middle of a region of countries who were ideologically going to always be conflicting with Israel. Is the US right or wrong for helping establish a Jewish state??... that's the first question. Then the second question about continuing to support is another.

    With being the US, great power comes great controversial decisions that has to be made one way or another or you don't have power very long. We don't have to relive every bad decision but we do need to learn from it to make better ones even if they aren't without some controversy.

    And you can't not take positions & decisions like Trump and other isolationists try to do. That only makes things worse. IMO.... continue to support Israel, but let's build a better coalition to where the decision making and leverage is not just from us, but shared responsibility in decisions with European, and other allied countries. Ensure atrocities cannot be carried out in the US' name anymore, and stop being so afraid of making Netanyahu and other horrible leaders in the future of Israel mad at you.

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    Also I would say that Ukraine is already a WW3 war, but it is fought via proxy of the Ukrainian forces who are doing all the heavy lifting with their blood on the ground. When Russia crossed that border and invaded a sovereign country in Europe AND Iran, China, and North Korea supported Russia in their quest... it was a world war by definition. Not every country was at war, and it's technically proxy, but it is a superpower allied conflict.

    People get too hung up on the term WW3 and just associate that with nuclear holocaust. Those are two different things.
     
  4. basso

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    US air defense system was made obsolete by this percise Iranian ballistic missiles retaliation , pentagon rushed to paint it as failure but opponents clearly took notice
     
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    I don't like the framing that there is something inherent about the Middle East where backlash against colonial settlement endeavors is met with hatred of that project by the regional powers.

    Neighboring countries don't like New colonial settlement projects in their next door that create refugees crises at their borders.


    That hatred of a colonial project is the instigator for the various threads of hatred. And some of those threads lead to anti-semetic rhetoric but it wasn't anti-semtisim that created a ll the threads. It was generic colonial settlement and displacement of populations which then resulted in groups of people there eventually buying into anti-semetic tropes. It doesn't help that the state of Israel wants "Jewishness" directly associated to the state of Israel as one thing that represents all Jews.

    I'm not denying hardcore anti-semtisim exists in areas of the Middle East. I just disagree with it being some intrinsic aspect of the region. It's more of a cascading effect of a colonial settler project
     
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    Pronouns
     
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  8. ArtV

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    It’s not WWIII. Russia is too busy getting the band back together. China is focused on timing to get Taiwan back in the fold.

    That said, Iran is getting a facelift real soon. Netanyahu is running on his winning streak high and has been ready for this moment for a while. I’m not sure Iran understands that this isn’t the same game they were playing a few months ago.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Yup - the poorer darker brown people have gotten too uppity and the lighter brown people are going to use the money they got from their Uncle Sam to knock down the darker brown people - and then the darker brown people will build back up again and be knocked down again in 10-15 years. All while the lighter brown people build parking lots.
     
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  10. HTM

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    Let Israel and Iran fight a war if that's the course of things.

    I don't want the U.S. to take a real direct or active part in it.

    Intelligence/logistics/supply - whatever.
     
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  11. Nook

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    Is it really a different game? We have been here before - multiple times.

    Israel wants no part of a protracted ground war in Iran - they don't have the soldiers or stomach for the body bags. It is a lot easier to die when you have nothing to live for.

    Having said that - post Revolution, Iran has become a paper tiger - their power structure can claim religious indifference to death, but they are quite comfortable profiting off exploiting the Iranian people.
     
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  12. HTM

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    Perhaps Israel can provoke a change in government in Iran without paying a high price. Perhaps a government keen on rapprochement/republican principles/secularization/moderation etc etc.

    Iran's government does appear, to me at least, to be unpopular amongst the Iranian people.
     
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  13. basso

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    no one, literally, is going to put ground troops into Iran. Saddam was the only one dumb enough to try.
     
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    They don’t need to since they got a bunch of Mossad working in the regime
     
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    By the same logic, US supporting Ukraine is putting WW3 in the cards. This is more of a great power conflict between US led order and China led order.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    I don't see why Israel would play into Iran's biggest advantage, by engaging in a ground war. Israel has a very powerful airforce it has shown that can evade Iranian air defenses and deliver attacks to key facilities.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Sounds like our government
     
  18. ROXRAN

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    I hope so. There's actually good people in Iran - when you have Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran sending missiles with their hope for inflicting maximum civilian casualty- it is easy to want revenge and reciprocate that action with hundreds of missles towards them but the good thing and the difference is Israel is NOT targeting civilians...

    I have no hope for Gaza to reform for the better and only the tiniest margin for Lebanon to turn its back to radical ideology but I feel there's a real chance for Iran to reclaim decency because there are so many people willing to stand up against the Iranian government that live there, we seen their bravery to stand up against the government of Iran and the last thing I want to do is punish the people for simply wanting to live in peace and NOT destroying Israel
     
  19. JHarden713

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    Lol bombing hospitals is not targeting civilians? Get a grip. They're all f'ed up
     
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  20. ROXRAN

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    Hospitals filled with terrorists is NOT targeting civilians lol believe it

    if Israel had the same mindset concerning killing civilians the way Hamas and Hezbollah has Exactly how many civilians do you think would be alive today ?
     
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