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With S.A., Orl, Ind, & N.Y. out of the picture, do C-Webb syill consider us?

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  1. j-bone

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    It seems to me know that D. Rob has agreed to a new contract with S.A.,with Orlando out of the running, with Indiana not parting with O'Neal, and N.Y. agreeing with A. Houston on a long term contract, that Webbers only options left are Sac., Det., and Hou. It seems to me that Webber is using Detroit as leverage to get more teams interested in a sign and trade. Personally, I think the Rockets chances are now better than ever to acquire Webber. I still don't know if he has a visit set up with us or not but if anyone knows could you pass it along?

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    Two things:

    1. I have a feeling that SA is still right in the thick of things with Webber... resigning Robinson did not take them out of the running, unless they gave him a big contract like what he wanted. I highly doubt that is the case.

    2. It's more a question of "do we still consider him" than the other way around.

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    Hey Cat, I was just wondering, how would they be able to sign Webber also because I'm sure that Robinson get a deal between 7 and 10 mil. Where would the rest of the cap room come from if they plan on signing Derek Anderson also? I only remember them saying they had 14 mil. in cap space this offseason.

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    J-Bone,

    The approximate number is between 16-17 million. Because they do have a shot at Webber, my suspicions are this may be an incentive type contract or something, so the base price may be a lot smaller than 7-10 million imho. We'll see. If the Spurs got Webber, Anderson would be gone...

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    How exactly is SA still in the picture? Maybe San Antonio would have the money, but there's no way CWebb would play small forward.

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    Sam,

    Duncan could technically play there if he had to, but they would essentially just be running 2 power forwards and 1 center together. Duncan has the lateral quickness to keep up with 3's around the league, and he would function as another 4 on offense. I'm assuming, if this happened, that Robinson's minutes would be limited a little more to keep him fresh, and that you would see a Duncan-Webber front line often anyway. If Webber wants a strong center/front line alongside him to get by Shaq, Duncan and Robinson is better than Duncan alone.

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    I think Webber is playing everyone, I see him resigning with the Kings. Eddie Robinson inking with the Bulls is probably a bigger blow to the Spurs than most people think. The Spurs problem is not in their front court, its more in their backcourt and athletism.

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    I hear what you're saying Cat, I just don't see it working on a practical standpoint. We're talking about 3 egos here.

    Webber wants to play with a strong center, because he doesn't want to guard that position, but I don't think he wants to give away that many touches. And he's going to want 40 minutes +.

    Robinson is also a free agent, and seems to be concerned about being perceived as a key guy to the Spurs. I don't think he took a really low-ball contract after saying that he wouldn't, and I don't think he would appreciate sitting more often in the 4th quarter when the Spurs ran a Webber-Duncan frontcourt. My guess is he still wants his 35 minutes a game, and my guess is the Spurs have said that he will play major minutes.

    Duncan's going to be a free agent in two years, and I don't think the Spurs want to jerk him around by making him chase 6'8" guys around the perimeter. He'd be OK at that job, but he's a 7 foot guy who's better in the post, where he has more of a chance to rebound and block shots.

    Added to all that is the fact that the run-a-bunch-of-guys-at-Shaq defense no longer works. You can't foul him all the time if he's making his free throws, and he has gotten excellent at finding the open man when multiple defenders come at him.

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    Sam,

    Robinson only got 29 minutes per game last year, and I don't think he'd throw a fit if it was limited a couple extra minutes. If Webber and Duncan both get about 38 each, Duncan will still have a lot of time to backup both Webber and Robinson.

    That's why Robinson and Duncan have worked well together-- Robinson doesn't have a big ego, he let Duncan take over the leadership role, he let Duncan take more shots-- I doubt he would have a problem with Webber either. The real question would come down to whether or not Webber would share the ball with Duncan, but, if sources are correct and he is intrigued with playing alongside him, I could see it happening. Duncan will be a free agent in two years, which also coincides with Robinson's retirement. TD has always been an unselfish player, and he'd probably guard some of the 3's in the league for two years to have Webber alongside him for the rest of his career.

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    That would be a nightmare matchup going up against a lineup of Robinson, Webber & Duncan. In case it does happen I feel so much better having Eddie at the SF rather than Shandon or Walt.
    I honestly don't think egos would be that big of a problem. As Cat stated David doesn't have an ego like a typical star. Also I personally think C-webb would love to take it easy for a regular season and not take the constant banging and defer to Duncan as well. Don't get me wrong I love C-webb but I think he would love to play a Barkley role of rebounding more and still getting his touches but not necessarily being the focal point of the offense.
    I also don't think Duncan would mind having Webber either. Duncan never complains.
    Of course there are 2 problems:
    1. If they start losing the egos will explode. Losing brings out the worst in everyone.
    2. You still need guards to get the ball to the big guys. THe zone will also make it easier for teams to sag back on these guys if the guards aren't great threats.
    Remember we had a Top 50 frontourt with Dream-CB4-Pip and that didn't help our guards become any better and everyone seemed happy about playing with each other until we didn't go undefeated! [​IMG]
    So indeed on paper it looks very tough, and they are 2 superstars and 1 fading star who have their egos in check for the most part, but like any superstar if things go bad they will all want to be the man.
     
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    Oh, 29, not 35... my mistake. Still, we're going to have to respectfully disagree. [​IMG] I just don't see Webber being that interested in coming into a system where his position is already filled by a guy better than he is, and I don't see the wisdom of the Spurs spending their available cap room for the next 2 seasons on another forward, when their backcourt is already so weak.

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    Don't think this would happen, but it may be easier match-up wise if the Spurs played a lot of zone def when those 3 were on the court.

    San Antone needs a PG and SF more than another PF. If they go with CWebb, I see DRob leaving and them making a play for ERob or SF/SG combo.

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    The Spurs are probably the least athletic team in the league. If they use the rest of their cap space on Webber, they will have a huge hole at the guardd spots, cause DA will bolt.

    As far as the Rockets go, I think Houston mgmt. would rather have two heads, Dream and Mo, than Webber. He hasn't mentioned anything about Houston, so it's safe to assume that he doesn't want to be here. He should just stay with Sacto. They won like 57 games last year, and getting Bibby should add to that total. Houston, IMHO, is completely out of the equation at this point. Right now it's between Sacto and Detroit. Which situation would you choose?

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    2 years, $25 million for Dave - well, that guarantees that CWebb won't be in S.A. Still, it was an interesting idea.

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    Sam,

    I wouldn't take that as official just yet. Robinson was asking for 10 a year-- and the Spurs countered with 7. I can't see them saying "what the heck, take 25". The agent hasn't told any contract terms, and neither have the Spurs, so it's just speculation at the current time... I can't imagine any team signing Robinson for 12.5 million a year.

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    The Rockets always seem to have a good deal of luck. Once again, it seems, by waiting things out (maybe more a result of Hakeem than anything else), something good might fall into their lap.


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