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Windows Vista: Who's got it? Who's getting it?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Faos, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. Faos

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    Out today. I'll probably wait awhile before getting it.
     
  2. Kam

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    i thought it was tommorow?

    there should be something int he chron about it.

    if its out today, my bad.


    i probably wont upgrade on the computer i have at home til i get more hard drive space.
     
  3. emjohn

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    Was interested, but I think I'm just going to get an Apple notebook. 25 GB for an OS seems insane to me. What's the payoff?

    Evan
     
  4. pirc1

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    I am in no hurry to get that, xp works just fine for me.
     
  5. weslinder

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    I just bought Vista-compatible laptop with a free Vista Premium Upgrade. I'll get it in March, but I won't install it until most of the bugs seemed to be worked out. I would bet that I won't install it until mid-summer.
     
  6. ChrisBosh

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    I'm looking to get a laptop, don't want to create a new thread...

    Just a few questions if anyone can help me...please.

    What Brand is considered quality these days?
    Hp, Compaq(heard they are going downhill), Sony, Apple,Dell?

    Is this a good time to be buying a laptop with Vista out?, I could care less about it, XP is good enough for me. Pros/Cons

    Need it for DVD's and basically studying. Won't be travelling around with it much, any suggestions of which laptop i should get?

    Durability, quality, and value performance is what I need...bang for my buck kinda deal.

    Thanks in advance for any advise.
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    Vista is a mega resource hog.
     
  8. Xenochimera

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    i got it but havent installed since i cant play some games on it.
     
  9. VesceySux

    VesceySux World Champion Lurker
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    I'm waiting until April when both Vista and Office 2007 will be available for purchase from UT's computer store. Should cost me around $5-15 for each. I'm thinking of it as a nice graduation gift for myself. :)
     
  10. halfbreed

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    10 bucks each. I'm waiting for April, also.
     
  11. ChrisBosh

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    http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/175801

    There is no way i'm getting it if this is the case.


    Vista's legal fine print raises red flags

    January 29, 2007
    Michael Geist

    Vista, the latest version of Microsoft's Windows operating system, makes its long awaited consumer debut tomorrow. The first major upgrade in five years, Vista incorporates a new, sleek look and features a wide array of new functionality, such as better search tools and stronger security.

    The early reviews have tended to damn the upgrade with faint praise, however, characterizing it as the best, most secure version of Windows, yet one that contains few, if any, revolutionary features.

    While those reviews have focused chiefly on Vista's new functionality, for the past few months the legal and technical communities have dug into Vista's "fine print." Those communities have raised red flags about Vista's legal terms and conditions as well as the technical limitations that have been incorporated into the software at the insistence of the motion picture industry.

    The net effect of these concerns may constitute the real Vista revolution as they point to an unprecedented loss of consumer control over their own personal computers. In the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user.

    Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge. During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft.

    Even after installation, the legal agreement grants Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to require users to reactivate it should they make changes to their computer components. In addition, it sets significant limits on the ability to copy or transfer the software, prohibiting anything more than a single backup copy and setting strict limits on transferring the software to different devices or users.

    Vista also incorporates Windows Defender, an anti-virus program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software." The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.

    Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe," even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.

    For greater certainty, the terms and conditions remove any doubt about who is in control by providing that "this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights." For those users frustrated by the software's limitations, Microsoft cautions that "you may not work around any technical limitations in the software."

    Those technical limitations have proven to be even more controversial than the legal ones.

    Last December, Peter Guttman, a computer scientist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand released a paper called "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection." The paper pieced together the technical fine print behind Vista, unraveling numerous limitations in the new software seemingly installed at the direct request of Hollywood interests.

    Guttman focused primarily on the restrictions associated with the ability to play back high-definition content from the next-generation DVDs such as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (referred to as "premium content").

    He noted that Vista intentionally degrades the picture quality of premium content when played on most computer monitors.

    Guttman's research suggests that consumers will pay more for less with poorer picture quality yet higher costs since Microsoft needed to obtain licences from third parties in order to access the technology that protects premium content (those licence fees were presumably incorporated into Vista's price).

    Moreover, he calculated that the technological controls would require considerable consumption of computing power with the system conducting 30 checks each second to ensure that there are no attacks on the security of the premium content.

    Microsoft responded to Guttman's paper earlier this month, maintaining that content owners demanded the premium content restrictions. According to Microsoft, "if the policies [associated with the premium content] required protections that Windows Vista couldn't support, then the content would not be able to play at all on Windows Vista PCs." While that may be true, left unsaid is Microsoft's ability to demand a better deal on behalf of its enormous user base or the prospect that users could opt-out of the technical controls.

    When Microsoft introduced Windows 95 more than a decade ago, it adopted the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" as its theme song. As millions of consumers contemplate the company's latest upgrade, the legal and technological restrictions may leave them singing "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
     
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    I'd like to try it out and put it on my desktop (which I don't use much, especially when it's sitting in my gf's place). I'd only get it if I could somehow get a free one though. Too bad I'm not still in school. I was able to get 3 copies of XP for free, legally through various avenues.

    No way I'd use it on my main computer, my laptop. I do lots of music production on it, and I'm always pushing it past the limit as it is. Vista would probably make me bounce everything down after only 5 tracks.
     
  14. Mr. Brightside

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    I've been using it for the past 3 months. Just be prepared to have alot of free memory on your computer.
     
  15. underoverup

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    do you mean that it uses less memory than xp or that it will take up lots of memory? :confused:
     
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    oops, I meant it takes up alot, alot of memory. Like someone posted earlier- a big resource hog. I have a dual boot system- one with XP and the other with Vista. If I'm actually trying to get work accomplished I'll use the XP, but if I'm just playing around I use the Vista.

    I have 1 GB memory, and a Pentium 4, 3.10 GHZ processor in my system.
     
  17. SwoLy-D

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    I hope you're not confusing "memory" with "hard drive space". If you are, shame on you... If you are not, then... shame on me... :eek: If fool me you can't fool again...

    <table border=2 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4><tr><th colspan=2 align=center>VISTA REQUIREMENTS</td></tr>
    <tr bgcolor="#606060"><td valign=top align=right>PREMIUM (highest)
    Recommended system requirements
    1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    1 GB of system memory
    40 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
    WDDM Driver
    128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
    Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
    32 bits per pixel
    DVD-ROM drive
    Audio Output
    Internet access (fees may apply)</td><td valign=top>HOME BASIC:
    Recommended system requirements
    1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
    512 MB of system memory
    20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
    Support for DirectX 9 graphics and 32 MB of graphics memory
    DVD-ROM drive
    Audio Output
    Internet access (fees may apply)</td></tr></table>
     
  18. astrorockette

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    Sounds like a rip off. I just got a new computer and I had to upgrade to XP which I hate, but Vista sounds even worse.
     
  19. BenignDMD

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    Office 2007 is actually pretty cool. I got the Enterprise addition, ahem demonoid, and am very pleased with it.
     
  20. Nuclear Yak

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    If you have to get a new computer just for Vista's system requirements, you might as well get an Apple with OSX, from which Vista basically took a lot of ideas from, and OSX came out 5 years ago.
     

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