i just peeked in at the catoon row thread. what a disaster. supernut and the brothers islam are pissing at each other over a fence. as much as i hate to admit it, i agree with supernut in that i want to see more condemnation of violence from muslim leadership. why is violence an option? what are people's opinions of moqtada al-sadr? likewise, i want to see christian leadership stand up against the religious right. if i were a christian i would go jesus on these freakin' money lenders.
Become a Christian and we will go Jesus on them together. To obey is better than sacrifice, I don't need your money, I want your life. And I hear you say that I'm coming back soon, But you act like I'll never return. Well you speak of grace and my love so sweet, How you thrive on milk, but reject my meat, And I can't help weeping of how it will be, If you keep on ignoring my words. Well you pray to prosper and succeed, But your flesh is something I just can't feed. To obey is better than sacrifice. I want more than Sunday and Wednesday nights, Cause if you can't come to me every day, Then don't bother coming at all. To obey is better than sacrifice. I want hearts of fire, not your prayers of ice. And I'm coming quickly, to give back to you, According to what you have done, According to what you have done, According to what you have done. "To Obey is Better Than Sacrifice" by Keith Green
Thanks for agreeing with "supernut" ;-) on wanting to hear muslims stand up and openly condemn the violence... and also thank you for pointing out that there are wacky Christians out there too because I know that first hand. As far as standing up as the "religious right" as you call them, the religious right are the ones that are religious to begin with, my God spews out luke warm Christians... but I can tell you I have no problem condemning ignorant people who call themselves Christian that ask for unneeded violence and you can bet your ass (my cliche for the day) that Christians of all shapes and sizes would stand up and condemn the rioting that is going on right now over CARTOONS if it was happening with Christians.
thanks for the invite, seriously, but there is about a snowballs chance in hell of that happening. oh, and if i didn't know by context what that song was about, i would have thought it was some guy trying to convert another guy to homosexuality.
Here's a good site: http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/ (great name too). Covers lots of topics from a liberal Christian perspective, but he tackles the religious right with aplomb and ample Biblical citation. His ongoing page-by-page critique (to put it kindly, it's more of an evisceration) of the disgusting "Left Behind" book is a great, great read.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Keith Green (October 21, 1953 - July 28, 1982) was an American gospel singer, songwriter, and pianist from Sheepshead Bay, New York. Green is best known for his strong devotion to Christianity and his unwavering efforts to stir others to the same. Notable songs include "You Put This Love In My Heart", "Your Love Broke Through", and "Asleep In The Light", as well as his modern hymns "O Lord, You're Beautiful", "There Is A Redeemer", and "Create In Me A Clean Heart". Green took to music at a young age, and his talents were noted by major newspapers by the time he was only eight years old. Following a performance of Arthur Laurents' The Time of the Cuckoo, the Los Angeles Times wrote that "roguish-looking, eight-year-old Keith Green gave a winning performance," one that "stole the show". Green went on to play "Kurt Von Trapp" in a major production of The Sound of Music. At the age of eleven, Green became the youngest person ever to sign with the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) when he published, recorded and released the song "The Way I Used to Be". In his early teens, with more than 50 original songs under his belt, Green was signed to Decca Records. Decca had plans to make Green a teen-idol, regularly getting the young man featured in fanzines like Teen Scene and on popular television shows like The Jack Benny Show and Steve Allen's show. Time Magazine called Green "a prepubescent dreamboat". His dreams of stardom were shattered, however, when Donny Osmond stole his short-lived spotlight and Green was quickly forgotten. By his mid-teens, Green became heavily involved in drug use, eastern religion, astrology, and mysticism. After experiencing a really horrifying "bad trip", he abandoned drug use and also became bitter towards philosophy and theology in general. In the midst of his skepticism, as Green described it, God's love 'broke through' his 'calloused heart'. He began on a new path 'with Christ as his guru', but had many 'spiritual struggles' and hardships along the way. He married his wife Melody in 1973, and the two became involved in the Vineyard fellowship in Southern California, where they were introduced to Bob Dylan. The Greens began an outreach program to their community by purchasing two homes (and renting five) to provide housing and care for prostitutes, drug addicts, and homeless people. Eventually, the couple and the rest of their group relocated to Lindale, Texas, where the Greens founded Last Days Ministries. Green began to release a series of albums in the new Contemporary Christian music market in 1977, after being signed to Sparrow Records and working on their Christian musical album Firewind (1976) with 2nd Chapter of Acts, Terry Talbot, John Talbot, and Barry McGuire. Two years later, Keith would shock many in the industry by refusing to charge money for concerts or albums. He insisted that his new label, Sparrow Records, let him out of his contract. The Greens then mortgaged their home to privately finance the album So You Wanna Go Back To Egypt? (with a guest appearance by Bob Dylan), which was then offered through mail-order and at concerts for "whatever you could afford". As of May of 1982, Green had shipped out more than 200,000 units of his album - 61,000 for free. Green was killed on July 28, 1982, when a small airplane owned by Last Days Ministries crashed on takeoff. Green had planned to give visiting friends an aerial view of the Last Days Ministries compound. Two of Green's children, three year old Josiah, and two year old Bethany, were also on board the plane, as was pilot Don Burmeister, and friends John and Dede Smalley and all six of their children. All passengers were killed in the crash. Crash investigators determined that the aircraft was nearly 500 lb (230 kg) overweight with 12 passengers and only 6 seats. Keith, Josiah, and Bethany Green are interred at Lindale Cemetery.
a chance is all it takes... I like your posts, BTW- only God could pull a snowball out of hell- (and that's how real Christianity works anyway)
As a non-Christian and non-Muslim I don't feel compelled to demand that Christians or Muslims behave like true Christians or Muslims. There are certainly things I think they could do in regard to how they act and speak in a multipluralistic world but their spiritual views are their views and theirs no point in me telling them how to act that's more in line with their religions.
sishir, that's a pretty weak post. rhester, i'm willing to bet that if you are right about jesus, he's gonna let me come on upstairs, regardless of whether i acknowledge him or not.
Ditto. I'd also venture a guess there are some that cite him as a personal savior that wouldn't make the cut.
I know you're right about that. Sorry to get cute about it, Max. Due respect back, I think you know what I meant.
