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Will Jazz take MoT or Spoon?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by canoner2002, Jul 2, 2004.

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  1. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

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    Jazz has too much money to spend. I think they will have trouble meeting the league minimum payroll again. Why cannot we help them by sending MoT or Spoon (or both) there? ;)
     
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    why would Jerry Sloan want an overpaid Power Forward who doesn't play great defense and can't rebound?

    why would he want an undersized PF who way overpaid?
     
  3. Do WHAT?

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    Only in our dreams!
     
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    Well, who is going to send good contracts their way to help them meet league minimum payroll requirement? They are missing the threshold by a long shot. They need a couple of big contracts.

    If they have to borrow contracts from other teams, they have no choice but taking on the bad contracts.

    Spoon only has 2 years left, so that is an incentive. MoT actually has some firepower, and only has 3 years left.

    You have to look at Jazz's payroll to realize what a situation they are in.
     
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    Mo is career underachiever, kinda like once Rasheed said, "only caring about the CTC"--cut the check.

    Spoon seems to be hard working on the court, except he is way too over weight, that tells you how hard he works out or watches his weight.
     
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    I'm sure Miami would love to trade them Eddie Jones or Brian Grant. New Orleans would love to dump Mashburn. Golden State will gladly give them NVE in exchange for Raul Lopez.

    There are tons of very good overpaid players they can take.

    To be quite honest, I think MoT's game woujld fit in nicely in Utah, especially alongside Kirilenko. They'd make a superb Forward combo. However, he's a couple of million overpaid, so I don't see them taking him.


    It hasn't become quite clear to them yet that they will HAVE to overpay to get good players simply because they are UTAH.
     
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    Don't be surprised if they go after K.Martin. That'll take care of their salary woes. A Kirelinko (sp??) and Martin front line with Harpring would give them a pretty formidable forward core.
     
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    If, and only if, Utah doesn't sign any free agents they may look to add contracts. They are rumored to be talking to several FA including K-Mart, but look what happened last year -- No FA signed, because it is UTAH!
     
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    Both Jones and Grant make way more than MoT and Spoon, not to mention Grant isn't better than MoT.

    Anyway, they are taking on bad contracts. Why not give it a try.
     
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    I don't see Kmart going Utah.
     
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    You've got to be kidding.
     
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    Brant is better on D, MoT is better on O.

    Brant 8.7 pt, 6.9 rb, .9 as, .46bl in 30.3 min.
    MoT 12.7pt, 5.0 rb, 1.3as, .63bl in 27.4 min.

    AND, Brant make roughly 50% more than MoT does.

    Which contract will you take?
     
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    The Utah Jazz have Andrei Kirilenko and drafted Kris Humphries (PF) with the #14 pick. No reason for them to take overpaid PF types from the Rockets.

    It would have to be the final year of their contract and Houston probably would have to add a draft pick to put Mo or Spoon in a Jazz uniform.
     
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    This isn't fantasy sports. Stats don't tell the whole story

    You mean Grant.

    Grant is a much better overall player. He can score, rebound and is a very tough defender. He was very tough on Yao last year despite the huge height disadvantage. He also has a pretty decent short jumper.

    Taylor is a horrible, horrible rebounder. All he can do is score - and even then it's not good enough to make him a starter. His defense is wretched and is an incredibly soft player.

    If Brian Grant was on the Rockets, he'd start over both Juwan Howard and Mo Taylor.
     
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    Grant is defenitely worse than Taylor on offense. That guy is a tough guy, but kinda clumsy. He had a good year, but that is in the past.

    2 more rebounds a game, hardly anything.

    Besides, he makes $2M/year more than SF does:eek:

    Fortunately he is NOT on our team.
     
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    Hey if they toolk Rice off of our hands ...
     
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    He played a different role for Miami last year. In previous seasons Grant was relied to do more. Last year, Miami had a lot of good young talent. They added Lamar Odom, Dwayne Wade had a great year, even Eddie Jones had a resurgence.

    Statistically, he had the worst season of his career. Pure statistics. It didn't mean he was any less of a player.

    Offense is more than just scoring. Good offense includes rebounding which Taylor is horrible. Steve Francis is a better rebounder than Taylor.

    And since you love statistics and use it to determine who's good or bad, How is Mo Taylor's offense that much better? They score about the same and Grant has a higher lifetime FG%.
     
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    I didn't say MoT overall is better than Grant.

    4 ppg difference is about 50% of Grant's scoring. You call that pretty much same?

    Didn't MoT play on a team with more talents than Heat (supposely)? Grant had a good year, but last three years he has been pretty consistent: mediocre.

    These, with the consideration of his contract, makes him a worse pick up than MoT.

    I don't think Jazz will take Grant's contract ahead of MoT's.
     
  20. RIET

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    Once again you use these ridiculous %'s and statistics.

    The reason Grant scored less was because he took less shots. They shoot about the same FG%. And the reason he took less shots was because Miami had some really good offensive players.

    If you're using statistics to prove your point (using Grant's 2003 season and saying Mo Taylor is a better offensive player), then how can you say Grant had a better season last year than in previous years.

    In 2002-2003, Brain Grant averaged 10 ppg, 10 rebs/game, while shooting 50% and playing great defense.

    If we find a player that could put up those numbers, theyd be starting.
     

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