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WikiLeaks is at it again-this time, State Department in "contigency" mode.

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  1. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-wikileaks-20101126,0,1731645.story

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...site_As_Washington_Prepares_For_Embarrassment

    The tip of the iceberg?

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=196752

    “The truth shall set you free.”
     
    #1 Northside Storm, Nov 25, 2010
  2. Commodore

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    Has anyone been executed or sentenced to life in prison for leaking to Wikileaks?

    Otherwise, this won't stop.
     
    #2 Commodore, Nov 26, 2010
  3. Northside Storm

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

    man is being held in military prison, likely to be imprisoned for ever if not executed.

    Intresting backstory-

    don't ask don't tell trooper fed up and disillusioned with the way the world is run

    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/19/wikileaks-a-somewhat.html#previouspost

    (12:15:11 PM) bradass87: hypothetical question: if you had free reign over
    classified networks for long periods of time... say, 8-9 months... and you
    saw incredible things, awful things... things that belonged in the public
    domain, and not on some server stored in a dark room in Washington DC...
    what would you do?
    (12:16:38 PM) bradass87: or Guantanamo, Bagram, Bucca, Taji, VBC for that
    matter...
    (12:17:47 PM) bradass87: things that would have an impact on 6.7 billion
    people
    (12:21:24 PM) bradass87: say... a database of half a million events during
    the iraq war... from 2004 to 2009... with reports, date time groups,
    lat-lon locations, casualty figures... ? or 260,000 state department
    cables from embassies and consulates all over the world, explaining how
    the first world exploits the third, in detail, from an internal
    perspective?
     
    #3 Northside Storm, Nov 26, 2010
  4. orbb

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    Its seems really odd that one low-level guy would have access to so much info. Sensitive secrets are compartmentalized so no one ever knows too much, except the top brass. You cant give away what you dont know, even under duress.
     
    #4 orbb, Nov 26, 2010
  5. kokopuffs

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    neither can a single guy fabricate so many documents.
     
    #5 kokopuffs, Nov 26, 2010
  6. Northside Storm

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    (02:12:46 AM) Manning: regarding State Dept. cables
    (02:13:12 AM) Lamo: Would the cables come from State?
    (02:13:21 AM) Manning: yes
    (02:13:25 AM) Manning: State Department
    (02:13:29 AM) Lamo: I was always a commercial intruder.
    (02:13:51 AM) Lamo: Why does your job afford you access?
    (02:13:59 AM) Lamo: except for the UN.
    (02:14:03 AM) Manning: because i have a workstation
    (02:14:15 AM) Lamo: and World Bank.
    (02:14:17 AM) Manning: *had*
    (02:14:36 AM) Lamo: So you have these stored now?
    (02:14:54 AM) Manning: i had two computers… one connected to SIPRNET the other to JWICS…
    (02:15:07 AM) Manning: no, they’re government laptops
    (02:15:18 AM) Manning: they’ve been zerofilled
    (02:15:22 AM) Manning: because of the pullout
    (02:15:57 AM) Manning: evidence was destroyed… by the system itself
    (02:16:10 AM) Lamo: So how would you deploy the cables? If at all.
    (02:16:26 AM) Manning: oh no… cables are reports
    (02:16:34 AM) Lamo: ah
    (02:16:38 AM) Manning: State Department Cable = a Memorandum
    (02:16:48 AM) Lamo: embassy cables?
    (02:16:54 AM) Manning: yes
    (02:17:00 AM) Manning: 260,000 in all
    (02:17:10 AM) Manning: i mentioned this previously
    (02:17:14 AM) Lamo: yes
    (02:17:31 AM) Lamo: stored locally, or retreiveable?
    (02:17:35 AM) Manning: brb latrine =P
    (02:17:43 AM) Manning: i dont have a copy anymore
    (02:17:59 AM) Lamo: *nod*
    (02:18:09 AM) Manning: they were stored on a centralized server…
    (02:18:34 AM) Lamo: what’s your endgame plan, then?
    (02:18:36 AM) Manning: it was vulnerable as ****
    (02:20:57 AM) Manning: well, it was forwarded to WL
    (02:21:18 AM) Manning: and god knows what happens now
    (02:22:27 AM) Manning: hopefully worldwide discussion, debates, and reforms
    (02:23:06 AM) Manning: if not… than we’re doomed
    (02:23:18 AM) Manning: as a species
    (02:24:13 AM) Manning: i will officially give up on the society we have if nothing happens
     
    #6 Northside Storm, Nov 26, 2010
  7. Classic

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    I'm very interested to see what comes out though not a single bit of it will surprise me.
     
    #7 Classic, Nov 26, 2010
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    I'm interested to see what will come out of this, I have heard the Dutch Government was warned by the US government that they will probably be embarrassed by this.

    I fear this will be noting we do not know already, but it is also nice to see document proving many suspicions.
     
    #8 arno_ed, Nov 27, 2010
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    #9 saintcougar, Nov 27, 2010
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    And what will happen exactly after the leak? Some heads will roll, sure.

    Then what?

    Nothing else will happen. Poor people continue to be poor, wars keep going on, etc
     
    #10 dback816, Nov 27, 2010
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    In my opinion, the Wikileaks people are irresponsible in a major way.
     
    #11 AroundTheWorld, Nov 27, 2010
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    Why?

    If you are going to talk **** about someone don't send it via email. Does any of this shock us.

    What are any of those countries going to do? Cry a little bit. They are all still America's b****es.
     
    #12 Air Langhi, Nov 27, 2010
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    In my opinion, I agree in a major way.
     
    #13 Landlord Landry, Nov 27, 2010
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    Very irresponsible.
     
    #14 Ubiquitin, Nov 27, 2010
  15. Northside Storm

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    Well, blame the military for leaving so much sensitive data on what amounts to a shared TCP/IP network for hundreds of thousands of people. I'm actually surprised there haven't been more leaks. Take from that what you will-integrity of the common soldier etc., but the fact is Manning took his data by flipping a CD in and taking files out-no joke.
     
    #15 Northside Storm, Nov 27, 2010
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    in other words, these documents will prove that every single major player in the world (be it the US or Pakistan or Iran or whatever) is a state-sponsor of terrorism?

    like we didnt already know this!
     
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    Obama better do something about this -- he is so freaking weak and a pushover. He'll probably go around apologizing to everybody. Awful leader.
     
    #17 bigtexxx, Nov 28, 2010
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    So now the WikiLeaks mess is Obama's fault because he's a weak pushover and awful leader. What do you expect him to do?

    You are a joke.
     
    #18 A_3PO, Nov 28, 2010
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  19. Commodore

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    He needs to come out and say that whoever leaked this information is treasonous and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    He needs to say this damages national security and will not be tolerated.

    Then he needs to get a conviction and the leaker needs to be summarily executed.
     
    #19 Commodore, Nov 28, 2010
  20. Mr. Brightside

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    I don't see how it is irresponsible. If one doesn't want to be charged with saying embarrassing things, they shouldn't be saying it in the first place.

    Julian Assange and Bradley Manning are heroes.
     
    #20 Mr. Brightside, Nov 28, 2010
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