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Why you can't build around McGrady

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by poprocks, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. poprocks

    poprocks Member

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    Ok if there is going to be a thread about why you can't build around Yao, I figured there should be one about why you can't build around T-Mac. Where's he ever been that he's won or gotten past the first round? Is he Kobe or Melo? Ya wanna talk soft, then lets talk soft.
     
  2. hermbob

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    this thread topic was the first thing i thought of when i saw the other one.

    the main reason is obvious. you can just go ahead and mark him down for missing 20-30 games, every year.

    we could keep delving in to things beyong that...but i'll stop there for now.
     
  3. sirbaihu

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    1) He misses 22% of games as a Rocket
    2) He has admitted to not playing with 100% effort in the past
     
  4. gotoloveit2

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    Would you build a car around an engine that keeps on breaking down? :D
     
  5. sirbaihu

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    3) He shoots 78% jump shots. Has a championship team ever been centered on a jump shooter?

    % Jump Shots of Random Shooters and Players
    Finley 91%
    Horry 88%
    Ray Allen 80%
    Arenas 80%
    Nowitzki 79%
    Mobley 78%
    T-MAC 78%
    Bryant 76%
    Stephen Jackson 73%
    Carter 72%
    Mike Miller 71%
    Redd 71%
    Turkoglu 71%
    AI 70%
    Melo 67%
    Wade 64%
    James 62%
    Boozer 55%
    Marion 47%

    Battier 82%
    Alston 79%
    James 78%
    T-MAC 78%
    Head 72%
    Brooks 68%
    Francis 63%
    Scola 57%
    Snyder 56%
    Yao 51%
    Wells 48%
    Hayes 20%

    T-Mac is more of a jump shooter than Mike Miller, Hedo Turkoglu and Luther Head.
     
  6. ivanyy2000

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    T-Mac of Orlando Magic (and first year in Houston) was a true franchise player. Although he was critized as mentally weak, he could do anything on the court and when he was on, there was no way you can shut him down.

    Unfortunately his game is declining and so is his interest in the basketball. He is a great talent but he doesn't truly love basketball anymore. He looks like a person who just wants to play out his contract and retire. That is why you can't build a team around him because he lost that desire to win.

    Ironically, if he had stayed in Orlando, he may have better chance to win a championship that he is now. Howard fits him better than Yao because Howard is a monster who don't need ball in his hand to be effective. That Magic team is decent and they play in the East. Well, that is another story.
     
  7. KALIKULI

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    I would if he can only stay healthy, considering his assist is up and playing as team player but you are right about mental weakness. Something he need to stay focus on.
     
  8. bronx43

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    r****ded argument. If Tmac stayed, they most likely wouldn't have gotten Howard.
     
  9. MayoRocket

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    You can't really build around either one. That's why we have both. That should be (and is) enough. But we need some other guys that don't suck. Period.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You can't build a team around Kevin Garnett either. See Minnesota.

    You can't build a team around Ray Allen. See Seattle.

    And you couldn't build a team around Paul Pierce. See Boston last 10 years.


    So how come Boston is winning this year - when they have all these players who could never take their teams anywhere and all their franchises failed to build around them?

    Hmmmmm.

    Maybe, maybe....even if you have a Yao and a T-mac, you still have to add in other ingredients and can't assume that Yao and T-mac can carry scrubs to a championship?

    Just maybe.

    The problem hasn't been yao or t-mac, the problem has and is this:

    Too many scrubs to be a contender.
     
  11. madmonkey37

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    Uhh he only shoots 2% more jumpers then Kobe. Thats like 30-40 shots a year, probably even less since kobe takes a gazillion shots a year.
     
  12. H-TownBBall

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    Silly rookie. They drafted him in the same summer T-Mac was traded to us. Translation: he earned them that horrible record by quitting on his team.
     
  13. bob718

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    If Tmac wanted to stay, they most likely wouldn't have gotten Howard.
     
  14. ilomse

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    here's the reason:
    first i have to state that tmac is NOT a selfish player, but it's more of his playing style that don't fit for the team. For example, u often see him just dribble and pull up a jumpshot w/ defensive on his face while other teammates had much better chance to make the shot~...what i'm saying is that he often play the game at his will, of course, with the coaching of rick ardelman, tmac was able to do this freely b/c the coach thinks tmac matches his coaching style... sure it did work for the first few game..but u see wut comes after...

    but still, w/o macgrady huston will not be a good team since YAO simply couldn't carry a whole by himself..., and the problem is that even YAO dosent matches to this huston system, i mean come on! who's in huston that actually wants to play "TEAM BASKETBALL" except YAO BATTIER and SCOLA??? , compare to the good teams like piston, suns, spurs, and dallas, every players in those teams were meant to be made their teammates...to me, i think YAO will player much better in a Spur-like system...
     
  15. Icehouse

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    Amen. MJ is arguably the best wing player ever, and I didn’t see him win jack until he got the games best SF, a decent PF (something we don’t have) and a crap load of shooters….

    The only players I have seen able to win surrounded by nothing have been big-men, or dudes in a pathetic conference (i.e. LeBron in the East).
     
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    This thread is easy...

    -Tmac misses too many games due to injury.
    -Questionable leadership skills.
    -His game has been in decline for some years (Due to either lack of motivation or conditioning)
     
  17. Yetti

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    Hakeem couldn't carry his rocket's team by himself.
    Wilt the stilt couldn't carry his teams by himself.
    Yao Ming cant carry his team by himself!
    Tracy McGrady can't carry his team by himself!!!
    The reason being is that it takes at least five players to make a team
    and it takes five good players to make a great team.
    A team with one great player and four decent players can also make a great team .
    So neither Yao or Tracy should be expected to carry their team by themselves. It's just not possible.
    The problem this season is two fold Tracy is concentrating on being a scorer insted of being more of a team player- he makes others better,
    secondly Coach A is trying to take away Yao Ming as a developiong super star and wants him to play like he is the second coming of Vlade. Unfortunately Yao has surcombed to the needs of coach A and the rockets are loosing a bout 8 points a game from what Yao could score this season. :p
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Here's the dirty truth - and I know a lot of YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

    The truth is that T-mac makes Yao better. He takes the pressure of Yao, and thus Yao gets better shots and easy dunks.

    How do I know - because the numbers don't lie:

    In the 10 games Tmac has been out or missed significant minutes the Rockets are 2-8. Only once has Yao shot above 50 percent.

    In fact, it's so bad, that Yao is shooting 39% in those games, compared to 53% when T-mac is in.

    Oh, and Yao is actually taking 15.7 shots without T-mac, and 16 with T-mac.

    So tell me again how this team is better without T-mac. Winning record with him, losign record with out him.

    And Yao playes better with him, worse without him.
     
  19. BucMan55

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    Adelman has said a few weeks ago that he wanted to concentrate Yao more on the low block. And he has. The problem for Yao is when he steps out to the top, sometimes he catches the ball at 20 feet, other times at 18 feet. If he catches it at 18, he can hit that jumper. From 20 feet, its a bit out of his range. The high post plays for Yao can be a good alternative when teams are simply flooding the low block preventing a pass from getting in there.

    So stop with the 2nd coming of Vlade bullcrap. Yao is on the low block more than Webber and Divac combined in Sacremento. Adelman added the high post stuff because Yao is a 7 foot 6 guy that shoots 85% from the FT line so why not take a few 17 foot jumpers to help get him touches and shots. Yao shooting a 17 footer is a better play than a 50% turnover ratio entry pass into a double teamed Yao.
     
  20. Nitro1118

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    Well, I posted in the Yao thread, so I might as well post here..

    T-Mac is the polar opposite of what I said about Yao...T-Mac fits right into any system and has has much talent as anyone in the league not named Kobe. The guy can do it ALL...be a 30PPG scorer, being a 7APG playmaker, grab 5-7RPG a night, and simplt take over games like few in the league can. And with his versatility he is one of the FEW players who are really unguardable and they can only be contained by themselves (poor shooting night or whatnot).

    Now, with his history, it is very hard to say you can build a championship team around him. With his injury concerns and questionable attitude/demenor, he is simply too much of a risk unless you put a fiery competitor with a ton of talent near him like a KG. But, unlike what most people think, the guy hasn't lost much athleticism, and he has shown without Yao and earlier this season before the leg injuries that the guy can be productive as ever. If he would learn to harness his talents and play every game like it is his last, he could be the best player in the league and a player you can build around. But with his injuries and current attitude, I do not believe you can build around him and expect a championship.
     

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