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Why wouldn't a big free agent come to Houston?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RyanB, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. RyanB

    RyanB Member

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    since we've been saying that Houston is fullfilled with good role players and with Yao back we should be a great destination to big Free agents especially because we have an elite center
    i'm wondering (it could be the same question actually) why Houston wouldn't be a destination to these big names: James,Wade..? :grin:
     
  2. Nolocke

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    They only thing that limits the Rockets from getting a high caliber free agent is that we don't really have any cap space to throw around. Sign and trade is the only way. Yao being injury prone and eating capspace is the only negative to signing with Houston. We have a 50/50 shot at getting someone decent this offseason.
     
  3. iconoclastic

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    Sign and trade is the only way, so we'll lose some of those assets and elite role players who would make this team so attractive in the first place (unlike teams who do have cap space, who can sign the free agent without losing some of its talent in the process)

    Also, Houston is not a glamorous franchise like the Lakers or Knicks.

    And other teams have just as much talent as a signed-and-traded pool of role players with a minute-limited and injury-prone center.
     
  4. Raven

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    I don't think any high caliber player is going to leave money on the table. It's going to be a sign & trade and it takes two to tango.
     
  5. meh

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    S&T are just hard to work out for simple reasons. There are THREE factions that has to come to terms.

    An obvious reason why Lebron or Wade would not come to Houston is simple. Their teams will be under the cap(although not sure about Cleveland since the Jamison trade). So any S&T would make them take back "crap" and fill their capspace, which they would obviously reject unless we basically give them our whole team and picks. In which case, why would Lebron or Wade come here?

    I don't see why Bosh or Joe Johnson wouldn't come here for the right price. If we give JJ a max 6yr deal, which I don't think he's worth given his age, then I think we get him if Atlanta wants enough stuff back. Same with Bosh, although I wouldn't mind giving him the max.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Lack of $$$$$ available to spend, the uncertainty of Yao, just to name a couple.

    DD
     
  7. Jerry36

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    Let's say for instance we did a S&T for Wade. When you trade players is it based on his opt out salary for next year. How does that work?
     
  8. Landry92

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    Just Asking
    is houston considered a big market ..
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    THis is why Morey really needs to plan to have about $18 million in cap space for the summer of 2010. That should be his goal for the next year.

    Now all we need is for Utah to knock of Denver in the first round and then: Hello Mr. Anthony!
     
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    I think lack of cap for one, but it all depends on that elite player to get the sign and trade going.

    If Lebron demands to be traded to houston, cavaliers really got nothing on their end to bargain. either lose him for nothing or hoping to trade for some exp contracts/role players and high picks.

    if that player really determined to leave and go to another team that he likes, no one can really stop him.

    The uncertainly on Yao - as I see it as a positive thing to FAs. This means Rockets next season would be without a go-to guy or "all-star", because Yao will be playing in a limited role and PT. That FA will be the focus pt of the team, but getting the same benefit of playing alongside Yao.

    Lets face it, Yao is no longer the "man" for this organization, but he is still very important piece for the rockets on winning championship. It's almost like Shaq to wade, or Gasol to Kobe. Yao is that Center, but we are still in search for that wade/kobe...
     
  11. FLASH21

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    I believe we are a mid market organization.
     
  12. meh

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    Well, that player is resigned, and then traded away in normal terms. So if Miami trades Wade to us, we have to give up back at least 75% of his salary in contracts to Miami. Contracts that Miami will likely not care about, if they can use it to sign a 2nd tier star FA instead.

    That is, if Wade demands to be traded here. While I do think Houston has some appeal to FAs, it's probably not to the point where the FA would point a gun to his GM's head to come here. If Wade isn't adamant, then Miami would simply rather just resign him, or trade him to a team with capspace like Chicago and get some picks back. When the other team is sufficiently under the cap, they don't need to give back salary.
     
  13. Jerry36

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    So, Kmart, Battier, and draft picks want get it done if he wade demands to come to the rockets?
     
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    There are three good reasons why elite free agents would agree to or even push for a sign-and-trade to the Rockets: an excellent group of role players, a HOF caliber coach, and an intelligent GM.

    However, I can also see two reasons why FAs may hesitant to go to Houston: the uncertain status of Yao's health and whether Les Alexander is willing to spend what it takes to win a championship.

    Bosh, for example, said in an interview that teams have to be willing to exceed the luxury tax line by a lot if they want to truly compete. So I'm thinking he's not going to lobby to be traded to the Rockets (a team BTW that usually stays under the lux tax line) unless he believes Les will be willing to take such a financial leap in the coming seasons.
     
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    Yao is not the "man" just because he hasn't played for a year?? You're an idiot..you can't say that for certain. The best you can say is "UNCERTAINTY" to "YAO BEING YAO AGAIN." You can't say he's not the man like you have a crystal ball or something...
     
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    ... :confused:

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  18. da_juice

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    We really can't offer big money
     
  19. meh

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    Maybe? Maybe not? It's not like us fans actually knows what's going on behind the scenes unless a deal actually comes to fruition. There's not much of a precedent for these type of deals, as most S&T involves a team with tons of cap space(remember Pippen to us or Rashard Lewis to the Magic?).

    We can only wait and see.
     
  20. dobro1229

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    We have had two max contract players on our roster for the past five years. They obviously didnt pan out but whose to say that Wade or Kobe would with injuries. The big names will be back. Im not sure if you would call these big names or not but here is a list of some known players we have had in the past ten years.

    Hakeem
    Clyde Drexler
    Charles Barkley
    Scottie Pippen
    Yao Ming
    Tracy Mcgrady
     

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