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Why Would an Intelligent Christian Vote for Trump?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    I sincerely wonder about this. Trump has engaged in stunts like holding the Bible and calling it his favorite book, after initially claiming often that the "Art of the Deal" was his favorite, but still...

    Trump I guess now claims to be against abortion and I suppose it is possible he has never paid for the abortion of one of the many women he has had throughout the years, but still.... See: video https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 in which he claimed to be "very pro-choice" in an interview.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    Nevermind the obvious answer, but why would they vote for Hillary?
     
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  3. Amiga

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    Since I had a similar conversation before with an intelligent Christian friend...

    Intelligent Christian that are single issue voter (pro-life) would never vote for a democrat who is pro-choice. The only question for that bloc prior to the election is whether or not they can trust Trump, given all his baggages.
     
  4. leroy

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    IMO, being a single issue voter disqualifies you from being considered an intelligent voter. There are way too many things happening for people to nail down their vote based on one issue. To be able to look the other way from the incredible amount of just garbage coming out of one’s mouth just to focus on one issue is nothing short of ignorant.
     
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    My guess would be that they'd be voting AGAINST an even worse candidate like Hillary rather than voting FOR Trump.
     
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    So people should vote for the opposite of what they believe on their most important issue?
     
  7. leroy

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    Not what I sad. They should take much more into account than 1 thing. You can't just take abortion and ignore morality, ethics, our standing in the world, civil rights, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

    This world is way too complicated to narrow it down to one issue...especially when it's one that will likely never affect the person in any way, shape, or form. Especially when it's one that is forcing their religion on to people who may not believe what they believe. Etc., etc.,
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    abortion doesn't involve morality, ethics, civil rights or standing in the world?

    and again, if someone pledges to put in judges (who now seem to be our unelected rulers beyond reproach) who are the opposite of your single issue, why would they vote for that candidate?
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    Many Evangelicals think they're soldiers in the war against liberalism.

    When you think you're in a war, it's easier to believe things without a good reason...like that nugget about Saddam was the mastermind behind 9/11.

    Certainly one can "hope" Trump will deliver Real America to the promiselands?
     
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  10. Amiga

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    There is also the fear of losing the white class status and culture. #maga resonate.
     
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  11. leroy

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    Say you vote for a candidate because your morals and ethics about abortion dictated it. Then, the same candidate has literally hundreds of examples of a complete lack of morality, even basic level understanding of ethics, finds ways to curtail basic civil rights for many, and has greatly damaged our standing in the world...then you're the one that has decided that they are different and separate issues.

    Abortion-only voters have decided that his infidelity and outwardly obvious disdain for ethics and equal treatment of all isn't worth anything else. That's sad and that is the definition of an uneducated voter.
     
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    Isn't that what single issue voters did?

    Tax churches....it is time.

    DD
     
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    No? I don't see your logic there.
     
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    I don't think you finished your thought in the first paragraph. In this scenario a pro-life voter would respond that if Trump caused 5 abortions but appointed judges that prevent 500K a year, that is a trade off they accept.


    Again "ethics and equal treatment for all" could easily be 1 million deaths due to abortion per year. I think you just fail to see their point on purpose.
     
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    That if they voted for one issue, there ultimately is another issue that is against their beliefs....therefore they already are hypocritical voters.

    Especially if you are Christian - we have a guy who ****s p*rn stars while his wife is pregnant, mocks disabled people, is ok with seperating children at borders, is about as racist as they come (Love thy neighbor anyone) - and is non-religious....yet...somehow, many are ok with all of that.

    DD
     
  16. Amiga

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    You have to select a candidate and there is always something you going to disagree with that candidate. There isn't a perfect candidate and so everyone that vote for someone based on their single or multiple set of issues ultimately is also voting for an issue that is against their beliefs or self-interest.

    As a whole, this can be solved. We can have perfect representation and the perfect candidate for society as a whole --- government run by AIs based on every single person wants .
     
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    The main reason most Christians voted for Trump was that there was a SCOTUS seat up for grabs during the election. Hillary was sure to appoint a liberal and Trump at least promised to appoint a conservative even if they were not 100% sure he would. Neither candidate had a good moral standing. Based on what Trump has done since the election, most Christians do not regret their vote.

    I did vote for Trump but it was more of a vote against Hillary for the only person in the race who could defeat her than a vote for Trump. If Trump would be on the ballot this November I would happily vote for him again and most people I know feel the same way. He has tried to keep all of his promises which has really surprised me. I expected a huge shift to the left if he was elected and was not 100% sure he would appoint a decent SCOTUS justice. Keeping his promise for the SCOTUS appointment and his treatment of Israel will keep most Christians supporting him.
     
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    What does Isreal have to do with the Americans?
     
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    I do no want to get into a religious debate but Israel figures very prominently in Biblical prophecy.
     
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    What does biblical prophecy have to do with my government?
     
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