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why wont rudy change?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by EGRULES, Dec 2, 2001.

  1. EGRULES

    EGRULES Member

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    from what i've seen and heard rudy stillthinks we gt the dream. and now we cant run iso cause of the new rules. SO Y WONT RUDY LET THIS TEAM RUN? we r a running team not a halfcourt team. Also i still dont get y we dont post up griffin. he can do anything against ANYONE! i really love rudy but he needs to resign and maybe become our gm. we need a coach who realizes how young we are and that we need to run to win!
     
  2. Jeff

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    To run, you have to have the type of team that does certain things well and the Rockets don't...

    You have to have big men that rebound and fire out outlet passes. Because the guards often outrebound the big men, this can't happen.

    You have to have guards who look to run. That doesn't happen. How many times have you seen KT or Willis come down with a rebound, take a dribble or two and then pass it backward to a guard who brings it up the floor? Too often.

    Feigen was talking about this very thing recently and said that the team runs fast break drills constantly but the players just aren't committed to running the floor. Rudy apparently stresses it but also stresses playing the percentages and when players feel like the percentages are low running the break, they stop running it.

    Until the players decide to do it come hell, high water or turnovers, it isn't going to happen on a regular basis.
     
  3. leebigez

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    I see it alot, a backwards pass to the guards. The outlet should always be at least to hash marks and the team should run constantly. The problem we have too is Rice and williams are slow and cato jogs down the court too much. Whats worse is that 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 is still a good scorung chance.
     
  4. alaskansnowman

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    Isn't Crispee always saying that it does NOT matter who comes down with the rebound... big man or guard, a fastbreak could still happen either way.
     
  5. Jeff

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    crispee is absolutely right (did i say that? :) ). Anyone can start a fast break, but they have to be committed to doing just that or it won't happen. In order for fast breaks to be effective, you have to have guards getting long rebounds and running or big men rebounding down low and throwing outlet passes.

    If a guard rebounds below the freethrow line, it takes him too long to dribble out of there and down the floor. By the time he does that, the defense has had the time it needs to recover.

    If the rebound is taken below the freethrow line, the player who got it has to get it ahead with the pass, not the dribble. If he gets it above the freethrow line, he can run with it on his own.

    To get into a fast break, the guards who rebound have to be as willing to give the ball up as the forwards and centers. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen that often with our players. The irony is that, even with slower small forwards like Williams and Rice, our team is built for running the floor.

    Guys like Mobley, Torres, Morris, Norris, Francis, Brown and Griffin are ideal for the break because of their speed, hops and athleticism and Cato, Thomas and Willis are ideal as trailers because of their speed up and down the floor.

    Even Williams and Rice can be key contributors on the break because of their ability to set up behind the 3 point line in transition. We could run the hell out of teams if we ran more often.
     
  6. ROXRAN

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    It seems all coaches can be set in their ways, but I don't see Rudy as being inflexible.
     
  7. GATER

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    I think Jeff's (and to some extent leebigez's) comments are right on the money.

    To summarize:
    1) A team must be committed to being a fastbreak team.

    2) Anyone can start the break.


    According to the latest stats from CBS Sportsline, here are the Top 10 fastbreak teams:

    1 Toronto
    2 Indiana
    3 Sacramento
    4 New Jersey
    5 Dallas
    6 Phoenix
    7 Atlanta
    8 Utah
    9 Denver
    10 Orlando

    A FB can start with a steal or TO, but for the sake of discussion I have focussed on defensive rebounds. There are alot more missed shots than TO's & steals!

    Except for the Top 3 and Atlanta, where defensive bounds are driven by the PF-C combination, ALL of the remaining 6 have a strong element of the SF-SG-PG. NJ is Van Horn & Kidd; Mavs are Dirk & Juwan; PHX is Marion & Hardaway; Utah is Malone & Marshall; Denver is La Frentz & Posey and Orlando is (gasp) Hill and Ewing.

    In the case of Atlanta, their #2 (Mohammad) is tied with the Rockets #1 - Willis. In fact, Willis has more defensive boards than Hardaway, Marshall, La Frentz or Posey. KT is above Hardaway and Marshall. And Steve gets more than Ewing.

    My conclusion is this. With only a few exceptions, the Rocks are young and athletic but the team is just not committed to taking advantage of it. The Rocks are currently 25th of 29 NBA teams in FB points.
     
  8. Cohen

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    Jeff,

    We had some fantastic fast break streaks starting midway through last season. Earlier on, we had between a trillion and godzillion turnovers, and many here whined and moaned.

    Maybe that is what Rudy is trying to avoid, turnovers. Maybe he's waiting for the teamwork to come together in practices, remember we only see 1/2 of the equation. You cannot through a bunch of new players and rookies on a team and assume that they're all on the same page.
     
  9. montgo

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    -It is not necessarily about fastbreaks, running and gunning and low percentage situations. You do not have to score on a fastbreak to be effective. You can still get the ball across within 4-5 seconds, pull back and create higher percentage situations by not allowing the defensive to get set everytime possesssion. You can exploit the defenses ability not to get set if you get the ball up quicker and you gain the advantage of spending more time setting up a play.

    -It is all about outlet passes versus matchups! Even if a guard rebounds, there is still another guard and a forward who can move the ball up the court on the outlet passes. Too many times I see us back pass to a guard and then spend another 6 seconds getting the pill across the line and only have about 15 seconds to run a play. By this time, the defense has matched up and settled in. Anyone can get the pass out and across within 4 seconds with 2 passes and force the defense to run and matchup!

    -There are no reasonable excuses that this team should not be at least not allowing the defensive to matchup as quickly. Let's at least not allow the defense to get set everytime down the court.
     
  10. Live

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    Good points, montgo!

    Playing up-tempo isn't just about fast breaks, but pushing the ball up-court and getting into your offense quickly, a la Kings and Mavs.

    And it's certainly not about your PG dribbling out the clock trying to juke a defender when the scouting report on him is already in:

    MOOCHIE DOESN'T GO RIGHT!
     

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