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Why we hardly win a game when we trail before 4th Q?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ericmark, Apr 28, 2007.

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  1. ericmark

    ericmark Member

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    Mentality? Lack of leadship? or just JVG's coaching style, eg: defense>>offense. In the playoff, we need some surprise, but how? I do not have the raw data, anyone has?
     
  2. Texas Stoke

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    I would say it has a lot to do with my assumption that the Rockets did not trail many games going in the 4th quarter this year. Which would be a good thing.

    Also we do run a half court offense centered around Yao Ming so if we are down by a large margin, it will be tougher to pick up the pace and make up for steep deficits with Yao on the court.
     
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    Lack of offensive abilities. When the defense collapse on 111, nobody else can buy a basket. When you find that every 3 from Battier and Head is one of the greatest joys in your life, and every shot from Alston hits the rim and your heart at the same time, it is not hard to imagine that our chance of contending this playoff is slim against the more versatiled teams (Suns, Mavs, heck even GS).
     
  4. bladeage

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    We don't have that one guy that steps up like most teams have. I was expecting it to be Luther, but he hasn't been doing anything as of late. We wont beat the Mavs or the Warriors in the 2nd round if only Yao and Tmac are responsible for the wins.
     
  5. ericmark

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    We won the majority of the games when we led into 4th Q.
    We did lose 30 + 1 games so far. We led into the 4th Q but lost in many games. So the opponents were able to come back when we led at the end of the 3rd Q, but we failed in the games we trailed into the 4th.
    I had an exactly same thought about Yao. but in the absence of Yao, we had the same trend. Will be interesting to see other defense-minded teams like spurs.
     
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    Yeh, but we still have our 111 which not other teams has this luxury. 3 pointers are good if not decent. :(
     
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    JVG had some nice plays for TMac in the 4th after timeouts, Tmac just missed some easy shots. We were only trail by 6 with 5-6 mins left but then our defense gave up on boxing out people and rebounding the ball. So in the end, you need both to win. You can't just say we play defensively that's why we lost the game.
     
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    A combination.......


    1. Mentality, we do not have an aggressive offense or one that is good at providing instant points, like the Mavs, Suns, Warriors, or even the Spurs. It's either dump in to Yao and let get it to the open man or let T-Mac work his magic.

    2. Lack of Leadership...probably. I thought be Battier or somebody. Everyone kept saying how great his intangible were, but I don't think they were talking about leadership. And then another aspect of leadership is coaching.

    3. JVG is good coach, but he is not the kinda coach that can get you passed a certain level. He is in the same category with coaches like Dunleavy, Adelman, Saunders, Nelson, and Fratetillo. They can make your team very good and very competitive, but they can't quite get your team to next level unless they have those or two great players.

    4. How many players on our team (or even the league) can you say are truly great? I think it's about 3 or 4 players that's it.

    Duncan (titles & accomplishments)
    Shaq (titles & accomplishments)
    Kobe (titles & accomplishments)
    Garnett (accomplishments)


    everybody else is very good, but I don't think you consider them to be great.
    like Kidd, Nash, Nowitzki, McGrady, Yao, Amare, or Howard.

    you can still be hall of fame player for being good or very good, but it doesn't necessarily make you great.

    5. Roster - Remember, after Yao and T-Mac, over the past few years, the talent dropped tremendously once go further down the rotations. I could postively say that Rockets have never really a truly great supporting cast. Either players way past their prime, bench warmers starting, or they wouldn't be playing on another roster in the league.
    a) Rockets never do well in draft, unless it's big name which is an obvious pick.
    b)They never take big risk
    c) Our owner doesn't like to spend money F.A.
    4) it's safe to say JVG is not a great scout or talent developer.
     
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    In case anyone is wondering, I believe we are 53-7 when leading going into the 4th since Van Gundy has been the coach. I know I saw a graphic during one of the Rockets last games that said 51-7.

    That number seems low to me though...I mean the fact that we would have only been leading into the 4th in 58 games over the past 4 years.
     
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    Maybe it's just this year? I think we only won a game or two when trailing entering the 4th quarter, and we do have 52+2 wins, so it might be possible.
     
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    coz Yao is tired, when one of your two superstars is exhausted, you can't win. :D
     
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    Lack of offensive personnel. That's not on T-Mac. That's not on Yao. That's not on JVG...

    That's on the Rockets' front office.
     
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    Why we always lose when we trail after 4th Q?
     
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    Because the game ends ?! :p
     
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    Yeah but that can't be it. That would mean that we were leading going into the 4th in every single game we won, and that's not the case. Hmm...
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Because most of the time the team leading going into the fourth quarter is going to win the game. I've seen several teams put up stats on how great their record is when leading after three quarters, like it is some special accomplishment. It is not. It is unexpectedly bad if your team chokes away a fourth quarter lead.
     
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    A thread created earlier this month had an article that said we had only won 1 game all year when trailing going into the 4th quarter.
     
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    Its really a testiment as to how our offense suks. thats why we failed to come back. only our defense is able to win us game, so we can only hold leads to win games.

    its actually better for my anger management ;) , because whenever we weren't leading heading into the fourth, I will gave up on the game and not be pissed at the players or refs no more haha.
     
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    That's freaking incredible if true. That means we haven't even overcome a 1 point deficit after 3 quarters, except for once. Downright embarrassing.
     
  20. ShadyMcGrady

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    Are you a poet or something? That's exactly how I feel sometimes about Rafer, Luther, and Battier.
     

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