You're right!....that's why we must kill all the ****ers! DATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDATDAT!!!!! KILL, KILL, DIE!, DIE! KILL ALL OF THEM!!! ....!
if we do nothing they'll just keep trying this crap anyway. it's like prison. either you fight back or you become someone's b****.
You have to kill them, their money source, and anywhere that harbours them. They will then have no cash, no place to plan, and no life. Game over. DaDakota
D.O.D. I think they did not have the will to do all of those things. I think that they made half hearted attempts. The days of doing those things without having blood on our hands are over. I wish this was not the case, but I don't belive before this event we could have gotten the necessary support from around the world to properly combat terrorism, I think we can get it now. Hopefully, our country will have the courage to see it ALL the way through. Is that a better answer for you? DaDakota
Dakota said: about George Bush Jr and Sr and Bill Clinton and recent American leaders: " I think they did not have the will to do all of those things. I think that they made half hearted attempts. The days of doing those things without having blood on our hands are over. " Sort of reminds me of what the El Salvadoran death squad leaders say about their elected officials . Or what Bin Laden says about Yaser Arafat.
Well Glynch, What do you in your infinite criticism suggest. Be man enough to outline your thoughts to this attack. I anxiously await your proposal to this situation. Glynch, you have the floor.... DaDakota
What to do? 1)Sit back and take a deep breath and think. Do some push ups or jog. Stop the insane rhetoric. 2) Thoughless men of action can cause great problems. Don't question the patriotism immediately of anyone who advocates caution or a different way than you. Realize that combatting terrorism by force alone is not effective. 3)Find out who did this. 4) Basically develop a plan to bring them to justice in a way that won't make them martyrs or win further converts for the terrorist cause. This is tactically wise. 5) Get international support as Bush is doing. 6) Try if necessary for months to get Bin Lauden, if he is the culprit extradited for trial. Failing this go and arrest him with the minimum force necessary. Note the loss of American and other life should be given priority not Bush's timetable for the midterm or other elections,as is often done. 8) Put the terrorists on trial at the Hague along with Milosevic. It is more appropriate to treat them as war criminals. It doesn't glorify them. 7) Withdraw all US troops from Saudi which insults many religious Arabs. Stop oppressing Arabs for cheap oil. 8) Stop killing children in Iraq and "Wagging the Dog" bombing. Declare victory and leave. 9) Start an emergency plan for energy independence with solar and conseration etc. to replace any oil lost. This needs to be done even if Cheney and Bush's portoflio goes down. Once the demand for oil goes down the Arabs will have to come to us to a certain extent. You can't eat or drink oil. 10) Take back Bush's tax cut to the rich or start a lot of deficit spending and begin a Marshal plan to develop those parts of the Middle East that act responsibly. Increased wealth makes people more moderate. 11) Stop the irrational backing of Israel and let them know that if they want to continually fight their neighbors over a few square miles of Jerusalem they have to do it on their dime. 12) Start acting more responsible at the United Nations and blocking conferences on racism, land mines, global warming. etc. Quit trying to bully the World and insist that we have to have our way or we just won't play. Pay all our UN dues. 13)Cease all development of the Star Wars boondoggle that bullies the rest of the world and makes us feel like we dont have to negotiate diferences. In conclusion: bring the criminals to justice with at least some surprising compassion, seek international support, be good neighbors in the world instead of international bullies who generate hatred. Accep that the Arabs have many valid complaints and address them.
Ok, First I want to congratulate you on stepping up with a plan...well done...now if you don't mind, I will go about addressing it..inside your post...with #### preceding my rebuttals. See we are not that far off, we just differ on a few points, although they are major differences. In conclusion, I applaud your well thought out response, and can appreciate your stand, even if I don't agree with all of it. DaDakota
Dakota, give me one good reason why it has to be done in 48 hrs? What if it costs more US lives to do so? What if it costs more Afghani or other lives. Why are you against a trial?
We may or may not need to get bin Laden immediately... I'm not sure. But the extant terrorists in the US need to be found immediately. America has withstood one attack well... but if new devastation occurs, I fear the result. People might lose faith in the ability of our government to protect them. Panic would be horrible, right now.
One argument for the swift response is that they don't understand it and won't be able to better prepare for it. As terrorists they choose the time, the method, and the place for their horrific actions-- knowing that confusion and befuddlement will reign. On top, in particular, the US has not had the political will to strike back (as in root out) at them. Time goes on and they gain momentum in the form of money, arms, technology, and recruits. Look what 8 years have brought us to. These guys are a cancer on the world; taking down America, The Great Satan, is their goal. Do we cut them ALL out or just a few "cells?"
The only argument for the swift response is immediate gratification for us. I wanted blood at first, and made some rather stupid posts that reflected my emotions and nothing else. But now I see the light... Think of it this way (the correct way) - the longer it takes to initiate hostilities, the more massive the response. It doesn't take much time to move a single AF Wing, a single brigade of the 82nd, the 2nd ACR, etc... But it does take time to move ALL of the 82nd, the 2nd ACR, and several ACC Wings. And those MPS (maritime prepositioned ships) carrying a full division's worth of armor at Diego Garcia take a little time to move to any given target. I am willing to wait a little while for the blood that will come, especially if I know that it will pour in volumes, and not at a trickle.
After the action Tuesday, bin Laden went into hiding, the Afgan gov't took off. I think we will have to wait a little to mount a complete attack and the longer we wait the more these roaches will come back out. The Afgan govt say's if we step foot in their country more US attacks are coming. So as long as they hide this guy and his armies and make these threats there are only 2 solutions: 1) Become a radical muslem country. 2) Exterminate them all - we do have the power.
IMHO the longer we wait to launch a major attack againist the enemy the longer they have to hide and disassemble. If we have sufficent evidence as to who did this, we should strike now.
No, No, No, Give them 48 hours to hand him over, if they don't then tell them we will respond. That does not mean we respond at that time. Just that we have given them a chance to avert a war and prove to us that they are on the side of a civilized world. If they don't turn him over, or can prove that they can NOT turn him over, then tell them we expect their support as we go into their country to take him out. DaDakota
agreed. those who advocate immediate response and a call to arms are misinformed. this will be a war unlike any other. these terrorists are not tangible the way the japanese army was, for instance. they have no definitive home base, no military installations, no large congregation of forces. there aren't strategic areas we can hit that will impact their actions. they're not mobilizing forces or invading foreign lands. when bush says they move back into the shadows, he means literally. they're ghosts. snatching bin laden (much easier said than done), or bombing one of the lands that might have harbored these men, could very likely lead to war being waged on our shores. these cells of theirs are everywhere and you better believe that includes a large presence in our country. to think otherwise is the height of naivety. they're a covert, widespread group of fanaticals, well-trained, highly motivated, smart, and very, very patient, and apparently, beneath our radar. we have no idea what kind of resources they have, money and otherwise, and any definitive attack from us could lead to more of what we saw on tuesday -- don't make the mistake of thinking they're not watching cnn. don't think they're not living next door to you. don't think they won't retaliate. and if we're focusing our attention and our money on fighting a foreign war... the results here could be devastating, and dwarf the events of the past week. believe it, the threat is real. the war we wage will likely not involve military action in the traditional sense. we'll step up our efforts locally to try and find and disband as many of these cells here in our country as possible, using information gleaned from those already in custody and hopefully a beefed-up human intelligence sector. we'll likely search for, and freeze bin laden's finances, which could greatly impact their ability to do the things they've always been capable of doing. and we'll identify, and step up surveillance of those assumed to be in a position of power among these many groups, and take as many as possible into custody. that will likely be the war we fight. when we've done those things, then we can turn our attention to nations or states that might be able to or have financed terrorist activities. we impose economic sanctions on them, we cut off their trade, we squeeze them financially. dadakota, we can't win a war in afghanistan. there's nothing there to bomb, it's too remote to stage a ground war, and it's too much of a home field advantage for afghan rebels, who are unconventional and dangerous fighters. we can threaten them all we want, but they know this. they won't turn bin laden over, and they will not cooperate. this will be a covert war, fought over the phone, in back alleys, on the QT and eventually, in the courtrooms. to do otherwise would awaken a sleeping giant. and we have no idea of knowing how well-armed and prepared said giant is. conceivably, they could have nuclear weapons in the states. swift, military action would not be prudent.
