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Why the "peace process" is a joke

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by treeman, Mar 27, 2002.

  1. treeman

    treeman Member

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    This one's for our resident Arafat-sympathizers (haven, glynch, boy, etc):

    Arafat's Harvest of Hate
    By Charles Krauthammer

    Tuesday, March 26, 2002; Page A19

    Sept. 11 awakened Americans to the anti-American vitriol in the state-controlled media of such apparently friendly states as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We are just beginning to understand how a daily diet of hatred fed through schools and the media -- a hatred quietly incubating for years -- found its most perfect expression in the slaughter of Sept. 11.

    We have failed, however, to see how a similar campaign of hate has laid the groundwork for the orgy of murder-suicide the Palestinians are now engaged in. A mother appears on videotape proudly sending her 18-year-old to his death just so he can kill as many Jews as possible. This is unprecedented. Before the Oslo peace accords of 1993, suicide bombing was a practice almost unheard of among Palestinians.

    And it is not as if they had no grievances before 1993. On the contrary. The advent of suicide bombing coincides precisely with the era of Israeli conciliation and peacemaking: recognition of the PLO, repeated concessions of territory, establishment of the Palestinian Authority, acceptance of an armed Palestinian police -- all culminating in the unprecedented offer of an independent Palestinian state with its capital in a shared Jerusalem. It is precisely in the context of the most accommodating, most conciliatory, most dovish Israeli policy in history that the suicide bombings took hold.

    Where, then, did they come from? During the past eight years -- the years of the Oslo "peace process" -- Yasser Arafat had complete control of all the organs of Palestinian education and propaganda. It takes an unspeakable hatred for people to send their children to commit Columbine-like murder-suicide. Arafat taught it. His television, his newspapers, his clerics have inculcated an anti-Semitism unmatched in virulence since Nazi Germany.

    When U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross stepped down last year, he acknowledged, to his credit, that a major error of diplomacy in the Clinton years was turning a diplomatic blind eye to the poisonous incitement in Palestinian media. Just as Osama bin Laden spent the '90s indoctrinating and infiltrating in preparation for murder, Arafat raised an entire generation schooled in hatred of the "Judeo-Nazis."

    This indoctrination goes far beyond expunging Israel, literally, from Palestinian maps. It goes far beyond denying, indeed ridiculing, the Holocaust as a Jewish fantasy. It consists of the rawest incitement to murder, as in this sermon by Arafat-appointed and Arafat-funded Ahmad Abu Halabiya broadcast live on official Palestinian Authority television early in the Intifada. The subject is "the Jews." (Note: not the Israelis, but the Jews.) "They must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands.' . . . Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them."

    The rationale offered for such murderousness is Jewish villainy as taught not just in Palestine but throughout the Arab world. On March 10, for example, an article in the official Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh described in rich detail how the Jews ritually slaughter Christian and Muslim children to use their blood in their holiday foods. With almost comic pseudo-scholarship, it explained that for one holiday (Purim) the Jew must kill an adolescent, but for Passover the victim must be 10 years or younger.

    When the article achieved wide notoriety in translation, the editor apologized under pressure. He said he had been out of town when the article appeared. An odd excuse, given the fact that this elaborate blood libel ran as a two-part series.

    A precondition for peace is to prepare your people for peace. Egypt's Anwar Sadat did that after signing his peace treaty with Israel. The Israelis did that after signing Oslo. They changed their textbooks and altered their civic culture to recognize and accept the Palestinians. On the 50th anniversary of Israel's independence, for example, Israel Television aired an epic multipart historical documentary that offered a view of the Palestinians that was deeply sympathetic and understanding.

    While Israeli leaders, both political and intellectual, were preparing their people for peace, Arafat was preparing his people for war -- the war he unleashed two months after rejecting Israel's Camp David peace offer of July 2000 -- with an unrelenting campaign of anti-Semitic vilification carried out by every organ of his media. And how he has succeeded. When Arafat's state-controlled media glorify a "martyrdom operation," it is not just a commendation of the murderer, it is a vindication of their own pedagogy. We now see its fruits in the streets of Jerusalem, where the blood from the latest suicide bombing graces the third floor of surrounding buildings.

    © 2002 The Washington Post Company


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17182-2002Mar25.htm
     
  2. Jeff

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    An opinion column from a Jewish conservative writes about Afrafat's Harvest of Hate. Hell, I'd be surprised if the guy DIDN'T feel that way given political ideology and heritage.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    JEFF HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!

    YOU CONSIDERED THE SOURCE..... How will you ever
    be a good zealot. . . .

    man . . .. u kids today


    Rocket River
     
  4. treeman

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    Jeff (and others):

    Why is it that the first comment out of you is always a bash against the source? I have yet to see you actually argue any of the merits of anything I've posted in the past few months.

    At least glynch bashes the source and then argues the piece. Bashing the source and then running away is a pretty damn weak and pointless response.
     
  5. Jeff

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    treeman: Because arguing with you is absolutely and completely pointless when it comes to the middle east. Your mind is made up. There is no changing it so the discussion is worthless.

    For the record, I wasn't bashing him. I was suggesting that his bias towards Israel would seem fairly apparent given his ideological leanings and heritage. I fould find it more surprising if he had a different opinion.

    Besides, a parusal through some of his columns since September 11 demonstrate that his opinion is clear (titles only below):

    They Splutter Through The War
    Saudi Peace Sham
    The Axis of Petulance
    Why Arafat Must Go
    Redefining the War
    The Jackals Are Wrong: Terrorists? Yes. Prisoners of War? No Way.
    America, Battle-Tested
    We Don't Peacekeep
    Unilateral? Yes, Indeed
    Sharon Flinches
    Victory Changes Everything
    Take Kabul
    Not Enough Might
    Bread and Bombs: This war is about destroying the Taliban, not feeding Afghanistan
    A War on Many Fronts
    The War: A Road Map
    Voices of Moral Obtuseness
    To War, Not to Court

    Many of these sound like thread titles you'd start. I'm not going to argue with his logic or his commentary. His opinion, like yours, is clear and there is no point dogging and issue that has no meaningful conclusion.
     
  6. Baqui99

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    I think I'll go to Whataburger for lunch today.
     
  7. treeman

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    Jeff:

    What does "no meaningful conclusion" mean? You mean a conclusion that you find agreeable? Your mind is already made up too, you just act as if it isn't in order to appear open-minded here.

    That's a pretty lame excuse not to argue the logic/merits/points, BTW. "I can't change treeman's mind, so why bother?" If I'm wrong about something, then show me where I'm wrong so that even if my stubborn ass doesn't see the light, someone else reading it will.
     
  8. Jeff

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    By "meaningful conclusion" I mean a place where we can both come to some mutual agreement of what we believe regardless of whether or not we agree. That has yet to happen in any discussion between us regarding the middle east.

    I don't want to argue the logic with you because I have found from previous discussions that it is a neverending argument. I don't really want to discuss the middle east because I honestly don't think you or I will ever find any common ground. I'd rather just stay out of that discussion altogether. I make points as I see them, but getting bogged down in a discussion with you on the finer points of middle east relations is pointless.

    It's pretty clear: I am a pacifist and you believe that some wars are justifiable. Nothing wrong with either point of view. It's just that it is easier to simply admit that we don't and/or won't agree than it is to continually belabor the same points. What's the point?
     
  9. treeman

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    Well, you're right - we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the basic points... Unless I do a 180 and turn into a pacifist sometime in the future, we're just never going to agree.

    But when you keep interjecting little jabs at either the source or me without commenting on the content, then what do you expect me to do? I can ignore it every once in a while, but when you do it nearly every time I post something... It demands that I notice and respond to it.

    I really hate having to tell an admin this (especially the BBS's Best Poster by a landslide), but if you don't have anything worthwile to contribute, then don't post a reply. ;)

    Watch me get banned only days before I ship...
     
  10. HOOP-T

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    I want you both to do something for me....I want you to pray for each other.

    Only then, can you truly get past the negative feelings, and feel empathy for one another.

    :p
     
  11. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Wound reopened, self-esteem regressing.
     
  12. HOOP-T

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    Damn, I feel your pain. Treeman rattled that statment off without thinking of who's feelings he might hurt. YOU TREE HUGGING b*stard.

    :)

    (no hard feelings treeman, just trying to help out the hangout boy, didn't really mean it)
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The real problem is that even if 99% of the Palastinians agree to a peace proposal, there is still that militant 1% which can strap a bomb to their bodies and go blow up a pizzaria.

    It has gotten to a point in history, where our weapons are too readily available, and one lunatic can screw up years of work.

    What is the answer? Heck, I don't know...but cooperation in stopping the suicide bombers would be a very good start.

    DaDakota
     
  14. DiSeAsEd MoNkEy

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    dont forget to make sure everythings in the bag before you drive away.

    those guys sometimes.
     

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