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Why the obsession with Brent Barry?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Raven, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. Raven

    Raven Member

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    I'm well aware of what Brent Barry can bring to the Rockets, but the guy is 32 years old, and wants a long term contract.

    What if Barry pulls a Pike and immediately starts showing his age, once we get him.

    Then we'll have two 30+ year old shooters on our team, both on the downside of their career, and both with multi-year deals.

    Just how many overpaid players do the Rockets need on their Roster.

    Cato is overpaid
    MT is overpaid
    CW is overpaid
    Pike is overpaid (for what his numbers are this year)

    For whatever we may think of these guys, no gm would touch any of them do to their contracts, unless we took a bad deal in return.

    Let's hope CD plays it smart this summer and doesn't make any more risky trades or pick ups that will hurt us for years to come.

    Raven
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    Brent Barry is reasonably intelligent with the basketball. He also has some size (6'6") which our backcourt also lacks.

    Also, he's a free agent, and therefore possible, if not probable, on the acquisitions list.
     
  3. pasox2

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    Yeah, let's just keep the team we got. Trades are so risky.

    You can't win if you don't play.
     
  4. Raven

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    My only concern is Barry's age, which isn't brought up enough whenever someone suggest going after him in the offseason.

    If he was under 30 instead of over 30, I would have never made this post.

    Raven
     
  5. Major

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    What if Barry pulls a Pike and immediately starts showing his age, once we get him.

    Since when is 32 old in the NBA? Didn't Olajuwon, Drexler, Barkley, Ewing, etc all peak around 32-34?
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I think Barry is quite a bit more athletic than Pike, and his career numbers are way better. He is a better dunker and passer by far. He is probably also a much better defender.
     
  7. yipengzhao

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    brent barry reminds me of a kenny smith in terms of accurate shooting from both 2 and 3pt land, maybe not so many assists, but takes care of the ball very well. there aren't guys like that any more.

    there also aren't guys like Chris Mullin any more either. we need a guy like that.
     
  8. Mr. Clutch

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    He can pass, he can run the break, and he can handle the ball pretty well. He does all those things better than Cuttino. He is probably a more consistent shooter as well.

    Cuttino has him beat on defense and overall scoring though. No way Barry can guard Kobe.
     
  9. gucci888

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    1. He can shoot.
    2. He can pass.
    3. He can defend.
    4. He can run the break.
    5. He can play PG or SG.

    6. Most importantly, he is a smart player.
     
  10. Nick

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    Does he perform well in the playoffs?

    around 30 minutes a game, 8.9 ppg 3.0 assists per game

    eh... find a better PF first.
     
  11. aelliott

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    What if Barry pulls a Pike and immediately starts showing his age, once we get him.

    Or what if Barry does what he's been doing his whole career? Then teams might not be able to double Yao so easily.
     
  12. Sherlock

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    I don't think Pike's performance or lack thereof is due to age...

    The advantages of Barry are:

    - intelligence. we need some to match Yao.
    - floor general. someone to set everyone up w/o wasting clock
    - court vision. he's amazingly aware of everyone on the court.
    - passer. pin-point precise passes into Yao to start off the inside-out
    - shooter. when Yao gets doubled, knock down the shot, or assist
    - threes. he's a.406 career average three point shooter
    - available. he's a FA this summer. No trade involved.
    - cheap. He won't cost us another player. He can be had with MLE
    - maturity. comes from great basketball family. veteran to balance
    - team player. fits Van Gundy's system, doesn't get out of control
    - height. at 6'6". he'd see over most PGs.
    - character. he's active in the community, and good person.
    - versatile. he can play both SG/PG, to go with best matchups
    - turnovers. 1.76 career avg, compared to Stevie's 3.7
    - steady. (10.6 points, 5.7 assists, 3.6 rebounds) not greedy

    HE JUST FITS!

    We'll have to compete with Denver and Seattle for him. There's a good possibility that Seattle will re-sign him. Its hard to believe they offered him such a low extension, since he's been the glue to hold together that team. So, no he's listening to offers. His brother Jon is in Denver, and that would be a draw too, although he might not get re-signed. We'd have to sell Brent on the possibility of winning a championship with Yao, and that we really want him, and that he's our missing piece to go all the way.

    The age thing is the only concern, at 32, although he's in good shape, and great at running a fast break or up-tempo style. But, he'll want a long term deal.

    I think we should move up in the second round and draft Chris Duhon to back him up, and train him well, so he can take over as Barry ages. But, we need a steady floor general to run our offense. If we keep Stevie, we should move him to the 2, and let him freewheel and do his acrobat thing, like Kobe, TMac or Iverson does, and let someone else focus on setting up the offense.
     
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    Im not sure, but he use to be pretty athletic in his old days. Almost the first person to win the slam dunk contest and 3 point contest(failed last year).
     
  14. Daedalus

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    i see Jon Barry as a better fit for us. He's more consistent, under-control, stronger & knows his role better than Brent has through their careers.
     
  15. Hmm

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    Unless it involves T-mac
     
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    Seattle is actually looking for a real PG themselves. Barry is more of a Jim Jackson type player.

    Personally, I agree that Jon Barry is a better fit.
     
  17. Sherlock

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    Seattle got spoiled with Gary Payton.
     
  18. DieHard Rocket

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    Barry's age doesn't really concern me with the type of game he plays. He should still have at least 5 years left where he can contribute and make it worth it.

    His three point shooting will be the biggest thing he brings to the team. That, and an under-control type of game.
     
  19. Raven

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    7. He is 32 years old, and wants a long term deal.

    Best case, he'll be like J. Jackson
    Worst Case, he'll be like Pike (or Price or Maloney)

    I guess I'm hesitant, because the Rockets have gotten burned soooooo many times over the last 10 years.

    BTW, is Price or Maloney still on the payroll? I vaguely remember a poster last year, who claimed one of them was.

    Raven
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Give him a 4 year deal, and instantly the offense gets a LOT better.

    DD
     

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