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WHY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS WORSE THAN DIIULIO SAID

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Achebe, Jan 2, 2003.

  1. Achebe

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    We're going to have to trade Will in for Johnathan Chait.

    j/k Will. :)

    When President Bush appointed a successor to Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill earlier this month, a handful of news outlets (this magazine included) pointed out that the identity of Bush's pick was essentially irrelevant to economic policy-making. The policies that new Treasury Secretary John Snow will be asked to sell to the public--tax cuts, tax cuts, and more tax cuts--have already been crafted without any need for his input, thank you very much. Indeed, the fact that policymakers in the Bush administration have been reduced essentially to an ornamental role was spelled out explicitly in an article by reporter Ron Suskind in the January issue of Esquire. In the piece, former administration staffer John DiIulio, along with two anonymous White House officials, alleged that the White House has totally subsumed its policy-making to its political decisions. "There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus," DiIulio told Suskind. "What you've got is everything--and I mean everything--being run by the political arm." Lest anybody doubt DiIulio's analysis, a column on National Review Online by Republican economist Bruce Bartlett affirmed it. "[O]ne cannot dispute [DiIulio's] characterization because it clearly is true. Since the beginning of the Bush administration, insiders have complained to me that the policymaking process was not working," Bartlett wrote. "This vacuum in terms of policy analysis has tended to be filled by those in the White House who look at issues solely in terms of their political implications."

    Suskind's explanation for this disturbing and unprecedented state of affairs is straightforward: The power wielded by political adviser Karl Rove (whether you believe he wields it for good or ill) is so great that he simply eclipses any other influence in the administration. "I was still regarding this White House in terms of the long-standing model," Suskind writes, "in which the art of political strategy is carefully balanced against serious policy discussion, in which church-state separations of these two distinct functions are respected, even championed. It seemed that in the person of Karl Rove such distinctions had been blurred."

    But the total dominance of politics over policy in the Bush administration is not merely a function of personality; it is a reflection of deeper structural forces. Put simply, the administration is subservient to economic pressure groups to an extent that surpasses any administration in modern history. Whereas the Clinton administration was regularly forced to weigh policy demands from competing interests within the Democratic coalition, the Bush administration's presumptive allegiance in virtually every case is to corporate America. It is simply unnecessary for the White House to generate its own policies because that role has been filled by business lobbyists. Bush has abdicated to K Street the basic functions of domestic governance, not merely in cases where K Street's interests run roughshod over liberal principles, but in cases where they contradict conservative principles as well. Indeed, the simple rule for understanding Bush's economic policy is that in virtually every instance, whether tacking right or left, the president sides with whatever interest group has the strongest stake in the issue at hand. The result is an administration whose domestic actions persistently, almost uniformly, fail to uphold the broader public good.



    ne might wonder why the Clinton administration was not captive to its economic supporters while the Bush administration is. The answer isn't, as some Clintonites have suggested, that the denizens of the previous White House possessed more moral courage than their successors. It's the deep asymmetry between the two parties' financial support. The Republicans receive support from business or from groups, such as the religious right, that don't oppose business's agenda. (Pat Robertson may not have any special passion for, say, protecting offshore tax havens, but he won't denounce them, either.) Democrats, by contrast, draw financial support from a broader range of interests--from corporate America, too, but also from labor, environmentalists, consumer groups, trial lawyers, and other associations whose agendas regularly conflict with those of business.

    One way to think about this dynamic is a political science theory called democratic pluralism. Pluralism was a way of describing, and justifying, the system that emerged after World War II. The most active players in the political system of the 1950s and 1960s were large organizations like the United States Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO. Even though these pressure groups wielded far more influence than everyday citizens, pluralism theory held that most citizens' interests were adequately accounted for anyway, because the various pressure groups represented them by proxy. Political scientists applied this theory to the U.S. political system as a whole, but currently it's a decent model only for the Democratic Party. That is, since Democrats must listen to representatives of business, labor, consumers, and others, the consensus that it reaches is usually a pretty good reflection of the broader good. But Republicans, whose base represents just a narrow elite sliver of the economy, usually fail to take account of the broader interest.

    This dynamic does not apply to cultural issues--Republicans are no more subservient to the whims of social conservatives than Democrats are to social liberals. Nor does it apply to foreign policy, where both parties make policy largely free from the influence of organized special interests. And, while it should be noted that the Democratic Party as a whole draws from a variety of economic interests, individual Democratic politicians do not. In the Senate, for instance, New York Democrat Charles Schumer is essentially a tool of the financial industry; Louisiana's John Breaux, the oil and gas industry; Michigan's Carl Levin, the auto industry; and so on. But the diversity of, and lack of agreement between, these interests generally allows a Democratic administration to transcend this sort of parochialism. Conservatives attack the Democrats as beholden to unions and other left-wing special interests. Meanwhile, leftists like Ralph Nader attack it as having sold out its union and liberal allies for the embrace of business. They're both half right: Being beholden to everybody means being beholden to nobody.

    This can be seen in the behavior of the Clinton administration. At the time, the president's dogged pursuit of soft money was seen both by liberals and conservatives as the apex of political sleaze. But, in fact, the breadth of Bill Clinton's fund-raising is precisely what insulated his decision-making from undue influence. In 1993, Clinton infuriated his labor allies, but pleased his business backers, by lobbying for and signing NAFTA. In 1995, he delighted trial lawyers, but angered lobbyists for business (especially in the Democrat-friendly technology industry), by vetoing a GOP-backed bill making it more difficult for investors to sue based on misleading financial reports. As surpluses emerged in the last few years of his term, Clinton stymied both the tax-cutting urges of his business allies and the spending urges of his labor allies by insisting on debt reduction. The point is not that Clinton got every policy decision right but that the discordant nature of his support put him in a position where, on most issues, it was at least possible for him to make a detached judgment on the merits. That is precisely what Bush cannot do.



    he extent of the Bush administration's bond with the lobbyists of K Street is necessarily hidden from public view, since neither party to the relationship has any incentive to publicize it. But a sense of it can be gleaned from stories like the one that appeared in The Wall Street Journal last January. "Top administration officials," the Journal reported, "led by political adviser Karl Rove, have been meeting with industry lobbyists in recent weeks seeking input on the president's 2002 agenda." The article proceeded to detail the ways in which corporate America's wish list coincided with Bush's agenda for that year.

    In fact, if you look at the major economic issues of the Bush presidency, in every instance Bush's position has been identical to that of whichever interest group applied the heaviest political pressure. On behalf of the accounting industry he fought tooth-and-nail against audit reform, until a 99 to zero Senate vote overwhelmed his opposition. (And, after the heat was off, Bush weakened the new auditing oversight board and reneged on his promise to boost the Securities and Exchange Commission's budget.) His energy bill was written in consultation with energy producers and reflected their desires almost perfectly. In signing legislation to overturn workplace ergonomic standards and supporting tougher bankruptcy standards on consumers, he fulfilled longtime corporate demands by using a broad-based corporate coalition. He fought campaign finance reform until opposition grew politically untenable, and even now his appointees to the Federal Election Commission are helping gut it. His telecommunications position preserved the monopoly status of local cable providers. His positions on prescription drugs and a patients' bill of rights were the positions of the drug industry and HMOs, respectively. He supported the oil companies in their quest to drill in Alaska and the auto companies in their disdain for higher fuel-efficiency standards. When, after the September 11 attacks, private airline security firms enlisted a massive lobbying effort to keep their contracts, Bush supported them (until that, too, became politically unsupportable). In none of these cases did organizations representing those affected by these policies--labor, environment, or consumer organizations--receive any meaningful hearing.

    Paradoxically, the only major issue on which Bush exerted any discipline upon K Street was his tax cut. And even that was done in the spirit of mutual interest. Bush decided that if lobbyists loaded up the tax cut with business tax breaks, the entire thing might sink from its own weight. And so, business was persuaded to line up behind a tax cut that left corporate rates untouched--forming a "tax-relief coalition" that raised millions to press for the bill's passage--with the promise that subsequent bills would directly give corporations their long-sought breaks. (To be sure, corporate executives, as highly compensated individuals, would have benefited disproportionately from Bush's income tax cuts even if they hadn't been followed by corporate tax relief.) And indeed, last winter, Bush unsuccessfully pushed for a package of business breaks under the guise of "stimulus," and he is preparing to do so yet again this year.

    It is often on the smaller issues, which receive almost no public attention, where the influence of lobbyists can be seen most clearly. There are countless such case studies, but, rather than slogging through all of them, consider just one: the Research and Experimentation Tax Credit. This was created in 1981 in order to reward companies whose product research generated broader scientific benefits. Alas, as Robert S. McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice has written, companies quickly claimed the credit for researching products with no merit whatsoever, such as Chicken McNuggets. In 1997, the Clinton Treasury Department imposed a new regulation restricting the credit to actual scientific advances. But, when Bush took office, his Treasury Department quickly rescinded it. Mark Weinberger, Bush's Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Tax Policy at the time, had served as a tax lobbyist immediately prior to joining the administration. His clients included the R&E Tax Credit Coalition, which represented corporations seeking to preserve this particular scam. Early in his tenure, Weinberger described his goal to the Journal thusly: "I want to change the 'us versus them' mentality--the 'us' being government, the 'them' being business."

    That line would serve as an appropriate epigram for Bush's governing philosophy. Since he's taken office, government and business have melded together as one big "us." Scores of mid-level appointees, like Weinberger, oversee industries for which they once worked. Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles is a former coal-bed methane lobbyist. Interior Department Solicitor William Geary Myers III previously lobbied to preserve federal grazing subsidies. Assistant Secretary of Energy for Fossil Energy Carl Michael Smith came to government from the oil industry and told one oil and gas group that his job is to determine "how best to utilize taxpayer dollars to the benefit of industry." The prevalence of such appointees is a stark departure from the previous administration. "Clinton weighed factors other than whether you contributed significantly to his campaign," explains G. Calvin MacKenzie, who studies presidential appointees for the Brookings Institution.

    It has become common under Bush not only for appointees to move easily between pleading for industry and adjudicating such pleadings but to do both simultaneously. Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Marc Racicot not only comes from K Street (which is hardly unprecedented for either party) but proposed to continue his lobbying work while serving as party chairman. The unpleasant symbolism of this forced Racicot to reverse himself, but the real scandal wasn't that his lobbying would conflict with his chairmanship of the RNC--it was that it wouldn't. Last year, Enron Chairman Kenneth L. Lay privately promised to support keeping the chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) if he would reverse his stance on energy regulation--implying that Lay had veto power over the FERC chairmanship. My colleague Jonathan Cohn reported in these pages last week that two members of the Advisory Committee on Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention were solicited for their positions not by the Bush administration but by the lead industry itself (see "Toxic," December 23). That is, lobbyists have in some instances literally taken over the responsibilities of governing.



    ush's defenders would no doubt maintain that it's only natural that a conservative president regularly sides with business, which usually desires less taxation and regulation. It's true that, in most instances, conservative ideology and business self-interest both militate toward the same end. Yet no disinterested conservative ideology would take the form of Bush's actual mix of policies. His energy bill, proposing massive new production subsidies, earned disdain from free-market purists like National Review and the Cato Institute. Bush has quietly acquiesced to congressional pork, declining to veto a single spending bill. Meanwhile, he has cut funding for programs--such as recovery of loose radioactive material--that many conservatives support but that lack powerful constituencies. Back in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan's Budget Director David Stockman pledged to attack "weak claims, not weak clients." Bush has done just the opposite.

    One of the great perversities of Bush's domestic policy is that, when he does deviate from conservatism, he follows this same pattern--that is, he tacks left not because it is in the broad public interest but because it will please a narrow but powerful special interest. Take, for example, the three domestic policy decisions for which he has taken the most flak from free-market conservatives: support for farm subsidies and for tariffs on steel and textiles. In each case, Bush acquiesced to the demands of a small, organized minority whose interests clearly run contrary to those of the majority. Studies have found that every job saved by tariffs costs consumers $800,000 in higher prices. Farm subsidies are even less justifiable: They artificially deluge the agriculture industry and transfer money to relatively affluent farmers by boosting the price of food, which disproportionately hurts the poor. Note that in all those instances Clinton managed to stand up to the special pleaders, despite the fact that acquiescing would have been more compatible with his ideology than it was with Bush's.

    Perhaps the most important common element of Bush's leftward lurches is that they involve adopting positions through which he can win favor with a Democratic-leaning pressure group without running up against business interests. For instance, Bush has embraced scandal-tarred carpenters' union President Douglas McCarron and Teamsters President James P. Hoffa--this despite the fact that GOP opposition to organized labor is frequently explained by aversion to "corrupt union bosses." So why has Bush cozied up to two of the more controversial bosses around? Because, as my colleague John B. Judis has pointed out, whereas most union leaders' top priorities involve winning concessions from employers, both McCarron and Hoffa are equally concerned with having the administration help them with internal issues--in McCarron's case, squelching a court case brought by reformers within the union (see "Drill Sergeant," December 16); in Hoffa's, lifting the Independent Review Board that oversees the union as a result of past transgressions (see "Dirty Deal," April 1 & 8, 2002).



    he only factor that clearly mitigates Bush's embrace of an agenda set by the business sector is his own sense of political self-preservation. After all, if the administration is publicly discredited as shilling for K Street, then it will be less effective at shilling for K Street. This is where Rove comes in. Sometimes half-measures (say, an industry-friendly prescription-drug plan) must be embraced to stave off more sweeping changes. Other times full retreat (as on airport security) is required in order to avoid a p.r. debacle. Hence Bush approved offshore drilling in politically marginal California but not in politically crucial Florida. This is also the reason that Bush has not endorsed some of the business lobby's more politically unattainable goals, such as complete abolition of the corporate income tax. This caution should not be mistaken for principled independence.

    But caution has generally proved to be unnecessary for this White House because the public so rarely has focused upon Bush's domestic agenda. The reason for this lies in another phenomenon of political science: Bad policies can exist when they have concentrated benefits and diffuse costs. For instance, the public should be outraged at steel tariffs, but in fact most people are not because the cost to each individual is very low. The people who care the most about steel tariffs are those who work in the steel industry, and they're all for tariffs. Likewise, few people have any desire to run long-term deficits in order to provide a large tax cut for the affluent. But the people who stand to gain the most from such tax cuts tend to appreciate them a great deal, and they express their appreciation, among other ways, in the form of political donations that can be used to help convince the majority that the tax cuts are actually aimed at them.

    On virtually every issue that has come before him, Bush has sided with the intense preferences of the well-organized minority. Judging from his lofty polls and his bulging coffers, the strategy has worked brilliantly. In a democracy, of course, you can never completely discount the possibility that the majority will eventually focus on the fact that it is getting persistently fleeced. From what we've seen of Karl Rove, though, he doesn't appear very worried.

    Jonathan Chait is a senior editor at TNR.
     
  2. A-Train

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    cliffnotes version, please...
     
  3. Achebe

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    lol ATrain.

    In summary, Bush is a corporate w****. Clinton was too, but due to the differences in coalitions, the Democrats have to make decisions that encompass all Americans, while ie, Conservative Christian Groups could care less about the corporate pandering done by their elected officials, since *whoo hoo! we're in office*.

    Bush bases his policy decisions on who has the loudest voice(s). When it appears that Bush is leaning to the left, just look for the correlation to the strongest lobbying group. Examples are in the text.
     
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    Here you go, Achebe. Now you don't have to look as pathetic by responding to your own thread 30 times again to keep it going.
     
  5. Achebe

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    thanks TheFreak (doh! :))
     
  6. A-Train

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    Politicians making policy decisions to favor certain lobbyists??

    MY GOD!!! How long has this been going on?!?!?!? :D
     
  7. SLA

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    You are definitely a Democrat. Thanks for sharing. Enron.
     
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    Bonus Chapter from Michael Moore's Best Seller "Stupid White Men"

    Part One: "What Does a 99-cent Bic Lighter Tell Us About the Bush War on Terrorism?"

    On September 22, 2001, just 11 days after the terrorist attacks in New York and Arlington, I had to fly. I had actually wanted to fly on September 11, and in fact had a ticket on the 3:00pm American Airlines flight from LAX to JFK. As we all know, that flight never made it off the ground as hours earlier four California-bound flights, two on American and two on United, were hijacked as part of a coordinated suicide mission to attack the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon outside Washington, DC.

    Stranded in Los Angeles, my wife and I (out there for the annual Prime Time Emmy Awards for our series, "The Awful Truth"), were awakened that morning by my wife's mother, calling us from Flint at 6:15 a.m., L.A. time. I answered the phone and heard her say that "New York was under attack, New York is at war." I remember thinking, "So what's new," but she suggested we immediately turn on the TV. I fumbled for the remote and switched on the hotel room TV. And there it was. The twin towers on fire, black smoke billowing upward.

    "OK," I thought, "a really bad fire." But then they ran the replay from 15 minutes earlier, of the second plane hitting the south tower. This wasn't an accident. We tried to call our daughter in New York. The phone lines weren't allowing any calls. We tried calling our friend, Joanne Doroshow, who works a few blocks from the towers. Again, the lines were jammed.

    A horrible panic started settling inside me. Finally, I reached Joanne's office. A woman answered, frantic. I asked if Joanne was there. "NO!" she shouted. "She's not here! We have to go! Ohmygod!" She dropped the phone and I heard a loud roar, like a train. My wife said, "Look at the TV." I did, and I saw from L.A. what I was listening to over the phone: the collapse of the south tower.

    It would be another four hours before we were able to reach our daughter, and seven hours before Joanne calls us, safe inside her apartment (she had ducked into a building just in time as the cloud of debris rained its way down the street).

    That night, as we watched the images repeated on the TV, a ticker began running the names of some of the dead who had been on the planes. Along the bottom of the screen came the name, "William Weems." A friend of ours the next morning confirmed that this was, in fact, the same Bill Weems, a line producer from Boston with whom we had recently filmed a batch of humorous TV spots targeting the tobacco companies. Bill was on the Boston-to-L.A. plane. He died as the jet, traveling at 586 miles per hour, slammed into the south tower. He left behind a wife and 7-year old daughter. It was all so unbelievably horrific.

    The airports were closed and all planes were now grounded. I found a Hertz dealer who would rent me a mini-van for $1,700 -- and 43 hours later we pulled out of our hotel on the Pacific Ocean and began our 2,990-mile journey home to our apartment in New York City.

    Somewhere around Oklahoma City, the airports were all open again, but my wife did not want to ditch the mini-van and get on a plane. So we continued on home for the next few days, the first ever trip each of us had made driving coast to coast. It was, as it turned out, well worth it, as it gave us a chance to gauge the reaction of average citizens, especially as we passed through Bush and Ashcroft country (The internet letters I wrote – and read – from the road can be found on my website).

    By September 22, I had no choice but to get back on a plane. I had been scheduled to give a talk in San Antonio, and so off I went on an American flight out of Newark. At the airport there was a newly, hastily put-together list of all the items that I could NOT bring aboard the plane. The list was long and bizarre. The list of banned items included:

    No guns. (Obviously)
    No knives. (Ditto)
    No boxcutters. (Certainly now justified)
    No toenail clippers. (What?)
    No knitting needles. (Huh?)
    No crotchet hooks. (Now, wait a minute!)
    No sewing needles.
    No mace.
    No leaf blowers. (OK, now it's personal)
    No corkscrews.
    No letter openers.
    No dry ice.
    The list went on and on. A lot of the items made good sense. I wasn't quite sure if terrorists also made quilts in their spare time, and I guess I must have missed the terrorist incident where some poor bastards smuggled dry ice aboard a plane (were they trying to keep their Popsicles cold until they ate them and then used the sticks for their attack?).

    Frankly, I was a little freaked-out about flying so soon after 9-11 and I guess there was just no way I was going to fly without a weapon for my protection. So I took the New York Yankees-signed baseball that Mayor Giuliani had given me on "TV Nation," put it in a sock, and – presto! Whip that baby upside somebody's head, and they're going to take a little nap. Note to budding terror****ers: If you try something on a flight I'm on, I'll Clemens ya. That, or the smell from my ratty sock, is going to do you in.

    Though I now felt "safe" with my makeshift weapon, as I continued to fly through the fall and winter, I did NOT feel safe being greeted at airport security by weekend warriors from the National Guard holding empty M-16s and looking like they shop in the same "special needs" department at K-Mart which I visit from time to time.

    More importantly, though, I kept noticing something strange. The guy in front of me, while emptying his pockets into the little plastic tray to run through the x-ray machine, would take out his butane lighter or matchbook, toss them into the tray, then pick them up on the other side -- in full view of security. At first I thought this was a mistake until I looked at the list of banned items again -- and saw that butane lighters and matchbooks were NOT on the forbidden list.

    Then came December 22, 2001. Richard Reid, on an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami, attempted to light his shoes on fire, using matches. His shoes, the police said, contained a plastic explosive and, had some passengers and flight attendants not taken quick action to restrain him, he would have been able to blow the entire plane out of the sky. But his lighter would not light the shoes fast enough, and everyone survived.

    I was sure after this freakish incident that the lighters and matches would surely be banned. But, as my book tour began in February, there they were, the passengers with their Bic lighters and their books of matches. I asked one security person after another why these people were allowed to bring devices which could start a fire on board the plane, especially after the Reid incident. No one, not a single person in authority or holding an unloaded automatic weapon, could or would give me answer.

    My simple question was this: If all smoking is prohibited on all flights, then why does ANYONE need their lighters and matches at 30,000 feet -- while I am up there with them?!

    And why is the one device that has been used to try and blow up a plane since 9-11 NOT on the banned list? No one has used toenail clippers to kill anyone on Jet Blue, and no one has been blowing away the leaves in the aisle of the Delta Connection flight to Tupelo.

    BUT SOME FRUITCAKE DID USE A BUTANE LIGHTER TO TRY AND KILL 200 PEOPLE ON AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT #63. And this did nothing to force the Bush Administration to do something about it.

    I began asking this question in front of audiences on my book tour. And it was on a dark and rainy night in Arlington, Virginia, at the Ollsson's Bookstore a couple miles from the Pentagon that I got my answer. After asking my Bic lighter question in my talk to the audience, I sat down to sign the books for the people in line. A young man walks up to the table, introduces himself, and lowering his voice so no one can hear, tells me the following:

    "I work on the Hill. The butane lighters were on the original list prepared by the FAA and sent to the White House for approval. The tobacco industry lobbied the Bush administration to have the lighters and matches removed from the banned list. Their customers (addicts) naturally are desperate to light up as soon as they land, and why should they be punished just so the skies can be safe?

    The lighters and matches were removed from the forbidden list.

    I was stunned. I knew there had to be some strange reason why this most obvious of items had not been banned. Could the Bush mob be so blatant in their contempt for the public's safety? How could they do this, and at the same time, issue weekly warnings about the "next terrorist threat"? Would they really put Big Tobacco's demands ahead of people's lives?

    Yes, of course, the answer has always been YES but not now, not in a time of national crisis, not NOW, so soon after the worst domestic mass murder in U.S. history!

    Unless there was no real threat at all.

    The hard and difficult questions must be asked: Is the "War on Terrorism" a ruse, a concoction to divert the citizens' attention?

    Accept, if you will for just a moment, that as truly despicable as George W. Bush is, he would not be so evil as to help out his buddies in tobacco land that that would be worth suffering through another 9-11. Once you give the man that – and for once I am asking you to do just that – once you admit that not even he would allow the murder of hundreds or thousands more just so Marlboro addicts can light up outside the terminal, then a whole other door opens – and that door, my friends, leads to the Pandora's Box of 9-11, a rotten can of worms that many in the media are afraid to open for fear of where it might lead, of just how deep the stench goes.

    What if there is no "terrorist threat?" What if Bush and Co. need, desperately need, that "terrorist threat" more than anything in order to conduct the systematic destruction they have launched against the U.S. constitution and the good people of this country who believe in the freedoms and liberties it guarantees?

    Do you want to go there?

    I do. I have filed a Freedom of Information Act demand to the FAA, asking that they give to me all documents pertaining to the decisions that were made to allow deadly butane lighters and books of matches on board passenger planes. I am not optimistic about what the results of this will be.

    And let's face it – it's just one small piece of the puzzle. It is, after all, just a 99-cent Bic lighter. But, friends, I have to tell you, over the years I have found that it is PRECISELY the "little stories" and the "minor details" that contain within them the LARGER truths. Perhaps my quest to find out why the freedom to be able to start a fire on board a plane-full of citizens is more important than yours or my life will be in vain. Or maybe, just maybe, it will be the beginning of the end of this corrupt, banal administration of con artists who shamelessly use the dead of that day in September as the cover to get away with anything.

    I think it's time we all stood up and started asking some questions of these individuals. The bottom line: Anyone who would brazenly steal an election and insert themselves into OUR White House with zero mandate from The People is, frankly – sadly – capable of anything...
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    I fail to understand why firearms are OK to check in baggage.
     
  10. Refman

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    It has to be legal to possess the firearm in the state you check it in and legal to possess it at your destination.

    For example...if I am licensed in Texas to carry a gun, but not licensed in California I CANNOT check my gun in as baggage on a trip from Houston to LA, because it would be illegal for me to possess it in LA.

    Further...it must be put in a crushproof, locked container with the breach open. Any and all ammo must be stored separately.

    I know all this because I flew to see my in laws in 2001, and checked my Makarov so that I could take it to the range. Pretty scary when you see just how good a shot your father-in-law is. :D
     
  11. Dreamshake

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    Achebe doenst have to do it, but I will....


    He's as terrible as it gets.........end of story, nuff said.
     
  12. Deckard

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    Thanks for the reads, Achebe and ewfd (and welcome to the BBS, ewfd!).

    Disturbing stuff. I wish I could say I'm surprised. He operated the same way as governor, imho.
     
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    Just a suggestion to CC netters... When reading a post from SLA, give yourself long pauses after each period and imagine the sound of bongo drums (Beat poet style) in the background throughout your reading of the post. Perhaps, if your mind can handle it, let yourself hear the occasional snapping of fingers.

    "You are definitely a Democrat ...
    Thanks (snap!) for sharing...
    Eron...."
     
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    Why doesn't the media jump all over the Tobacco scandal? Would they be considered unpatriotic?
     
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    Basically.
     
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    "It is often on the smaller issues, which receive almost no public attention, where the influence of lobbyists can be seen most clearly."


    Yawn. Yeah, I am so scared that crazy right wing nut Dubya is getting lobbied most often on the "smaller" issues.

    I guess this is the best the Bush haters can come up with?

    Don't post.
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    An anonymous person goes up to Michael Moore and tells him this story. Perhaps it is simply not true. Michael Moore is a known Bush hater. He offers no evidence that this anonymous person really does work on "the hill".

    In addition, according to the FAA guidelines, anything that poses a threat can be confiscated, therefore, there is no guarantee that a lighter or matches will be allowed.
     
  18. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Yeah, that whole thing seemed a bit of a stretch.
     
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    true bobrek... I'm anxious to see what the FAA's response would be.

    It is arguable that all of the chemical tests they run are more comprehensive than the simple yes/no do you have a lighter test. Then again, given all of the asinine rules (no skillets? what is this? I Love Lucy?) you have to wonder what the big deal with simply taking someone's lighter away from them could be. If the terrorists get MacGyver, they certainly know a number of ways in which a lighter can be turned into a WMD.

    "Don't post", LOL. Are you lazy or do you really have this much trouble with reading comprehension? I guess this is the best retaliation that Bush lovers can come up with? Dork.

    The "smaller issues" point by Chait is simply this: the administration is so petty that they do not even reach the higher ground on these lesser issues. They still appeal to the powerful lobbying groups on those issues.

    ps, way to dismantle the rest of the 8K word post.

    ps, way to overlook the fact that the article starts out with information from republican insiders via the National Review (in addition to DiIulio's points).
     
  20. mateo

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    Considering that Bush has done jack s**t to help out the energy industry in these turbulent days, I am not completely sold on the fact that Corporate America is running the show.
     

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