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Why Shandon and Mo won't be back.....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by T_Man, Nov 13, 2000.

  1. T_Man

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    I have a feeling SA nor Mo will re-sign with the Rockets. With the style of offense that this team is playing, why should they?

    Let's take a look at SA after 7 games. Out of 7 games I believe SA has been in the 4th quarter for only 2 of them. SA is a work horse and a powerful athletic player. But his talent and skill is not been used to it's full potential. For some reason Rudy is in love with the Iso and Mobley. The iso is great if you have a player like Jordan, Bird, Magic or even Sir Charles. The reason I say this is because these guys were very good with their decision making. When we run plays and get everyone involved this is a great team to watch. But far to often we go to the iso which may get only 2 players involved.
    And over 85% of the time that the iso does not include SA.

    I guess SA contract stated that he had to start. But there was nothing stating he had to play in the 4th quarter.

    Now let's look at Mo. Again this team is centered around the guards. For some reason we very seldom go to the low post.. Who I know why, for some reason we like the iso for the guards more. I have seen both Hakeem and Mo beg for the ball on the post. The guards will dribble the ball for 15 to 18 seconds before they even think about dumping the ball down to the low post. The ball has to go to the post at least 65% of the time. We have too many selfish players on this team. I don't know if that is by design or if they are free lancing.

    So you tell me if you were SA or Mo would you want to re-sign with the Rockets. Also I keep hearing about us trying to get Webber and other big men. What makes you think that any big man would want to come here. They see the same thing that we see. That this is a team centered around the guards and iso.

    Now take in mind that is my Opinion. Not something I've heard, read or talk to some unknown source about. But let's be realistic this team plays more like Individuals than they do as a team.



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  2. Lil Francis

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    I think when the offseason comes the Rockets should atleast make a pitch at Finley and Webber and if we can't sign them we should try to bring Mo back but hopefully the Rockets are not dunb enough to max him out. I think SA will be back but I don't expect Walt to be back. I see the Rockets dealing him.
     
  3. Achebe

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    The question regarding SA is this: what team will:

    a) start him and
    b) have a system sporting a scoring pg thus taking that responsibility off of him.

    ...oh yeah, the Rockets and only the Rockets.

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  4. Rocketman95

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    Everyone on the BBS, repeat after me.

    "There is no starting clause in Shandon Anderson's contract, there is no starting clause in Shandon Anderson's contract."

    Thank you and carry on.

    Also, I don't think 8 games are enough to determine something like this. We know what Anderson can do in this system. The fact is right now that we don't have many players playing well. Dream and Collier are basically it right now to be honest.

    Hopefully a good dose of Chicago will help.

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  5. Achebe

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    LOL Rm95, I kind of glazed over that. Perhaps there could be an auto response system from the bbs that monitors things such as 'starting clause' or 'could jordan, dream and drexler played together?!??!?'.

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  6. JuanValdez

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    People, the man was a sub at Utah. Last year he had career numbers.

    Why are you acting like our guys are holding him back?

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  8. vince

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    This is the same thing I was thinking.

    I revoke my excitement when the Rockets signed Mo Taylor. The guy is so soft that it is unbeleivable. Is the guy out of his mind! Does he think anybody in their right ming would give him a maximum deal.

    I just can't beleive the guy can't rebound. He just can't. Maybe his body positioning is wrong but he is never near the rebounds. If not for the guard the Rockets would not get a single rebound. But come on a guy who is 6'10" or so should at least get 7 rebounds a game playing 30 minutes. That is not too much to ask!

    I just don't think that Taylor is the answer for the Rockets at powerforward.

    I hate to say it but the best way to rebuild might be to go to 2 or 3 more NBA lotteries!

    And Shandon is being wasted in this system. What a shame. They guy is never played in the 4th quarter. WHY?

    Mobley is good, but the guy isn't Jordan, Byrds, or the Dream when it means putting a team on his back.

    As much as I can recall all of these palyers were always able to carry a team, even if they didn't win every game they were consitently able to carry their teams their whole careers! Mobley is at best a solid NBA player.

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  9. Cold Hard

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    To T_Man:

    There is no such thing as a starting clause.

    Has Shandon and Mo shown any evidence that they are dissatisfied with the Rockets' offensive style? I think it's too early to equate their lack of involvement in the Rockets offense with them not re-signing. It's a long season; plenty could potentially change.

    Even though I do think that Rudy T should play Anderson a little more often in the fourth quarter (and slightly fewer ISOs for Mobley) and Anderson could put up some better numbers, I think you are expecting just a bit too much from the guy.

    I agree with the first sentence. Nevertheless, I'd like to hear your take on exactly what Anderson's "full potential" is.

    BTW, I think Anderson will re-sign. On the other hand, you might turn out to be right about Mo not re-signing....especially if he is adamant about wanting the max and not intending to settle for anything less.

    Lil Francis: Of course the Rockets should make a pitch to Finley and Webber, but the chances of landing either one (Finley in particular) aren't much higher than zero IMO.

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  10. DrNuegebauer

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    vince;

    since when has the lottery been the best way to rebuild?

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  11. vj23k

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    actually you can place ANY kind of clause you want in a contract. only ozarka water? sure. only sit on metal benches? sure

    come on guys positive energy positive energy. [​IMG]
     
  12. Rocket River

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    Mo will not be back because. . . OF MO!

    Honestly Right now. . . KT is playing better.
    Kt is Rebounding
    Collier is Rebounding
    MO AIN'T REBOUNDING!!

    Kt is scoring [adequately]
    Collier is Scoring [Adequately]
    Mo is scoring [A bit above adequately]

    Kt is D'ing
    Collier is D'ing
    Mo is D'ing
    [A tied between all of them]

    SO . . .
    Kt + Collier = Nice Quality at low price
    Mo = I WANT THE MAX

    all this said. . it is still only 8 games
    and Moe has a long way to go.
    Things can and probably will change.

    Rocket River

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  13. Oatdog

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    Yeah, if Mo doesn't improve drastically, who here would care less about his walking? The Rockets, even with great rebounding guards, are dead last in rebounding. Yeah, Cato's out, but the obvious reason is our PF is being outrebounded by our 6th man guard. What does Mo provide? Scoring, and we already have better scorers we rely on in Mobley and Francis. The Rockets need 8 boards from the PF spot and nothing less. That's not much to ask by a long shot. Look around the league and you won't find one starting PF average less than 8 boards other than Mo unless they're paired in the frontcourt with a rebounding monster like Mutombo or Shaq.

    Rebounding is not the only area exemplifying Mo's softness. He avoids body contact on O too. If you look at his career stats, he is close to the worst big man in FTA/FGA. Also, what is going on with his fouls? Game after game, he's getting in foul trouble. Is it just me or does he seem just a bit slow? Sure he looks quick when palming the ball on a crossover, but on D he's lookin' pretty slow.

    Anyway, I'm not writing him off. He's got great size and is obviously really talented with his shooting touch. Yet, he HAS to get 8 boards a game for me to be pleased with him as our starting 4.

    I really, really like Shandon Anderson, but he really isn't irreplaceable. I may be wrong, but I could see us swapping him with a lot of different non-stars (Jim Jackson, Doug Christie, Desmond Mason, Mo Peterson, Aaron McKie, etc.) and not losing too, too much. Still, I'd hate to see him walk, and hopefully, he won't. [​IMG]


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  14. RocketsPimp

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    IMO Shandon should have been in the game in the 4th quarter instead of Walt. I'm sure I pissed off a few neighbors yelling because he wasn't in there in the closing minutes. When the game is within reach like last night, defense should be the emphasis and the offense will follow.

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