They are both not needed from their team and they both can help out the other team. If the contracts work, I would do it.
Why not MoT for Carlos Boozer? Why not MoT for Okafor? Why not MoT for....for..... I don't think anyone want Mo...though I get confused on which Thomas plays well for NY edit: nevermind thats Kurt Thomas I don't think the trade would really make that much of a difference...I mean unless Tim Thomas has a shorter contract
Off the top of my head, I think that Thomas' contract is worse than Taylor's. Not to say I wouldn't be opposed to such a deal as you never know what a change of scenery might do.
I brought this up along time ago. I like Tim Thomas, at least he's more athletic then Mo and he can hit the 3.
Those two players are practically mirror images of each other: Soft PF's with bloated contracts. Tim Thomas has a little bit more range than Taylor, extending out to 3-pt land. Unfortunately, he hasn't been shooting particularly well this season. The worst thing about Thomas though is his rebounding. He makes Taylor look like Ben Wallace. EDIT: Thomas is on a 6-year contract worth $67 million vs. Taylor at 6 years/$48.7 million. His situation is much worse than Taylor's, but he comes off the books a year earlier (2006).
This thread really didn't need sarcasm...Tim Thomas is sucking as much, if not more, than Mo. It's a legitimate idea. Personally, I'd prefer to keep Mo and hope and pray he regains his jumphook and jumper. Tim Thomas is too lazy and uninspired IMO.
tim thomas is more of a big 3. he doesn't really play the 4 that much. he has been playing really bad lately but then again so has mo. i think the rockets would do this deal because we would get a (very expencive) backup for tmac. however, the knicks have no use for mo. kurt thomas is having a great year, sweetney is comming along, and JYD plays both foward spots.
I really like Tim Thomas. When at Villanova I though he would come into the league and be like a Pippen with his physique and 7 feet plus wing span. He a freak of nature at 6-10 and 240 lbs but he is shoot only 40% from the field (Mo's is 44%) while pulling down only 3.4 rebounds per game (compared to Mo's 4.3 RPG). One thing about him is that he can guard most 3s and 4s unlike Motay. Worse, his salary for this season and next is $12.9M and $13.975M respectively. A straight swap will not work s if they are willing to take back Clarence along with Taylor (combined $14.3M+ this season and next.....so contracts match I guess) I will deal in a NY minute
Tim Thomas is inconsistent, he hates to play Power Forward (he complained about that in Milwaukee when Big Dog was in town), and his contract is worse than Mo's. No, if we want an inconsistent, overpaid 3/4 tweener, we should take a look at Keith Van Horn. For all the talk about how soft he is, he has good shooting range, plays effeciently on offense, and grabs a good number of rebounds. He's just too soft to guard the 4 and too slow to guard the 3.
1. Tim Thomas has a worst contract than MoT. 2. Tim Thomas is a SF. 3. Tim Thomas is even more inconsistent than MoT.
Not that Isiah would trade for a David Falk client, but if so, could we trade MoT plus the TE straight up for Tim Thomas? It would be nice to clear up some space under the Luxury Tax threshold next summer before Yao's big raise takes effect. But I've always heard that you can't combine the TE with another player in a trade, but that doesn't seem to jibe with the following example from the Salary Cap FAQ: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68 "There are some common misconceptions about this exception. For one, teams cannot use this exception to sign free agents; it can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. For another, teams cannot combine this exception with the 115% plus $100,000 margin from the assigned player exception in order to trade for a more expensive player. For example, while a $2 million player can be traded for a $2.4 million player using the assigned player exception, a team with a $1 million trade exception cannot combine the two together and trade their $2 million player for a $3.4 million player (see question number 71 for more information on combining exceptions)." So, given this example, MoT at $8.4 million + $5.4 TE is less than Tim Thomas's salary, so this should work? If one of the salary cap gurus could clear this up, it would be deeply appreciated.
Check your math. the FAQ says precisely that. You could trade MoT+Spoon for Thomas, but NY wants no part of Falk. Isiah and Falk had a few falling outs, unless I'm thinking of a different agent.
1) agreed 2) agreed (some of you are thinking of KURT Thomas 3)... not so fast - I would rather take the inconsistent player over the consistently BAD player
Tim Thomas is paid more than Taylor, but his contract comes off the books a year earlier. That in itself is enough for me to do the trade. Both Thomas' and Taylor's contracts will screw us over in the FA market, but at least we'll only be screwed for one offseason instead of two. Despite his inconsistency, Thomas is definitely more versatile than Mo, and a lot more athletic. He's a poor rebounder yes, but imagine the size of our starting lineup if we moved McGrady back to SG: - Sura, TMac, Thomas, Howard, Yao. That's bound to create defensive mismatches for most teams in the league. I honestly don't like Tim Thomas very much either, but what exactly are we losing in a trade like this? EDIT: I would do a MoT + Spoon for Thomas trade in a heartbeat. In addition to all the points I made above, we'd be clearing out our PF logjam a bit as well.
Solid points and to piggy back on that, Motay and Juwan are the same kind of players. Tim looks like a guy who could use a JVG nudging in order to up his game. New York could definitely use Motay because they lack a true back-2-basket scorer like Motay (save for Sweetney and maybe Alan Houston). They could use Maurice especially with a with open division and the fact that Timothy has soured on them somewhat.
I think the Knicks would do the deal in a heartbeat. I live in NYC and the guy does not seem to have much game left or the injuries have taken a toll this year. I think the two strongest parts of his game, 3 point shooting and athleticism have pretty much disappeared this year. He's probably the worst player in the Knicks starting 5 and he's always been a horrible rebounder. I wouldn't do the deal. MoT > T. Thomas
IT will do something, whether it makes sense or not. They'll deal (and people will probably shake their heads).
Then how can a "a $2 million player can be traded for a $2.4 million player using the assigned player exception . . . " ? Reading further, a $2 million player cannot be combined with a $1 million APE to net a $3.4 million player; presumably, however, they could be combined to net a $2.9 million player, since there would not be a combination of exceptions (i.e. also using the 15% rule, on top of the APE). I didn't see anywhere in the FAQ where is specifically states you cannot combine the APE with a player to trade for a higher salaried player. Where is the source for this assertion?
