I have noticed that there has not been much talk about Chandler being a free agent that we are interested in. I realize that he is a restricted free agent but I dont see what it would hurt to atleast let him know that we are interested in him. I would take him before I would take any of the power forwards that we have been talking to. Do you guys think it would be possible to do some kind of sign and trade to get him. If so would we be able to trade our mid level exception along with other players to get him? I realize that I am not as much of a frequent poster as some of you guys but I was just wondering what yall think about how he would fit in and why we havent been showing much interest in him. I think he would be the perfect fit and I remember reading somewhere that him and Yao are friends or something.
I think Chicago has pretty much said they will match, at least a fair amount above the MLE. I may be wrong, but I don't think it is possible to do a sign and trade that involves your MLE...I don't think it is a tradeable asset. Basically, I think Chandler would be a fantastic pickup, but there is a 99.9999% chance that we won't get him, no matter how hard we try...therefore, not worth pursuing him.
Unless we want to part with Tmac or Yao he simply is not in play. He will get a max deal or very close to it, IMO he is the most desirable FA left. NO and Atl could take a flyer that Chicago won't match a max contract, but more than likely Chicago probably matches.
he's restricted and chicago has said they will match pretty much any offer that doesn't break the bank. the rockets can only offer the MLE which is about $6 million a year and chicago will definitely match that. i think a guy like him could get about $10 million in this year's inflated market.
At first everyone was so hard on Chicago for essentially trading Elton Brand for Chandler saying the Clippers raped the Bulls in that deal and Chandler is a stiff. Now the tide has certainly turned...... Brand has basically been branded (no pun intended) as a max player uncapable of carrying a team (like SAR, Allan Houston, Marbury). Brand is a solid player, but at max money he's not necessarily a great value for what you get. Chandler on the other hand is putting up solid numbers and developing, likely won't get a max contract but will almost certainly be a more cost effecient player as he won't be getting max or near max money. Seems to me the Bulls get the last laugh. ....oh and the talk of us acquiring Chandler, don't waste your time.
Only 10 million in this market? Heck, I think he might get just as much or more than Ilgauskas. If he takes the qualifying offer and improves next year, he might just get the max.
I'm not sure I agree. First, we're not in a position to determine who's a better value until Chandler gets paid. With the type of money that's been thrown around, I wouldn't be surprised to see Chandler get 10 million a year, which wouldn't necessarily make him a better value, IMO. Second, I don't really accept that productivity/contract should be the criteria to evaluate the trade. I think it comes down to talent, in which case, the Clips still clearly got the better of the deal. Brand's not a franchise player, but at least he's close. The expectation for Chandler was that he might be a franchise player as well and now it's clear he's not anything close. If it comes down to it, I think the Clippers definitely do this trade again while the Bulls probably wouldn't. EDIT: BTW, #1, see my sig.
Sure, based on a talent perspective Brand is the better player but team success and effectiveness have to be considered. Brand is a solid player that can score 20-10 on any given night on a max contract that can't lead a winning team. That's a mediocre investment in my eyes. I want a guy that can win and if I forsee a guy like Brand isn't capable of leading my team to that status I will sign him to an appropriate contract and find somebody who will. In a nutshell that's kind of the way I see it. Granted, there are teams out there that would jump on Brand and give him more money but that's their risk then. A guy like Chandler isn't going to demand a max contract because he's simply not on that level. Basically what I see is a better version of Marcus Camby here, who himself, makes in the 7-8 M range which is very fair for a player like Camby. I view that as a smart investment because they play similar roles on their respective teams yet aren't expected to the shoulder the burdon of carrying their teams---they are just expected to be the solid, unheralded role player that never disappoints. That's the way I view Chandler as his role will continue to grow with the Bulls and if $10 M is what he is asking, for that I would agree. Plus, given the rather inflationary values of free agent PF's these days, would $10 M for a promising, young player really be so surprising? I would rather pay for a player who helps win than pay much more for a better player who leads me to the lottery every year. Now..... All monetary issues aside, if you want to re-trade Brand for Chandler straight up then that's a different story. Sure, I would take the better player in Brand but if his contract comes along with it and I have to consider him my core, no thanks i'll pass.
I think just about anyone would take Chandler over Brand at this point in their careers. That said, wasn't Kwame and Curry sandwiched between Chandler? Just so happens Chandler looks like the best of those, but I'd take Brand over the other two. The other guy in this top 4 group, Gasol, has been the best player so far.
Chandler is only 22 and is already ahead of him in rebounds and blocks per 48, and Brand is 26 and never seems to stay healthy. Thus yeah, if choosing I'd take Chandler if I was thinking any kind of long term outlook.
Why no talk on Marshall? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201558.html A league source said yesterday that the Wizards have scheduled a meeting this weekend with free agent forward Donyell Marshall, who averaged 11.5 points and 6.6 rebounds for the Toronto Raptors last season. Marshall, 32, who is hosting a basketball camp in Reading, Pa., this week, has averaged 12.4 points and 7.3 rebounds in an 11-year career with Minnesota, Golden State, Utah, Chicago and Toronto. He has shot better than 40 percent from beyond the three-point line the past two seasons. We need to get him before the only MLE PF disappears.
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20050713-120512-9490r.htm Wizards to make pitch for Marshall By John N. Mitchell THE WASHINGTON TIMES July 13, 2005 The Washington Wizards, still smarting from the loss of guard Larry Hughes, will begin to address their frontcourt issues this week by bringing in free-agent forward Donyell Marshall. "There has definitely been some interest expressed there, and I can say that we are going to talk with Washington," Marshall's agent, Andy Miller, said last night. The Wizards would be looking at the 6-foot-9, 32-year-old Marshall most likely with their $4.9 million mid-level exception. Marshall spent most of last season with the Toronto Raptors on the trading block, getting heavy interest from Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia. Those teams are still said to covet the 11-year veteran. However, the Wizards, who need help in the frontcourt -- especially if they deal forward Kwame Brown this summer -- are believed to be Marshall's top choice. Last season with the Raptors, Marshall averaged 11.5 points and 6.6 rebounds. He has good shooting range for a big man, as evidenced last season when he made a career-best 41.6 percent (151-for-363) from behind the 3-point line. The Wizards can court Marshall now, but they cannot sign him until July 22, when the moratorium on signing players is lifted.
I was just thinking the very same thing. A Yao/Chandler frontcourt would just be plain sick. Chandler is a good rebounder and defender, he doesn't have much of an offensive game, but still managed to put up 9ppg 10rpg in only 10 starts and only playing 27 minutes. There is obviously no way to outbid Chicago or ATL for his services and I highly doubt we have anything the Bulls want. That's probably why there is no talk, it's very easy for Paxon to say "no" to us and leave it at that.
That is not entirely accurate, I am pretty sure the Bulls would trade him for Yao or Tmac plus filler. I believe Marshall is our 3rd option, but it looks like we are pretty confident if we don't land Swift (1st option) via the MLE we can land Walker (2nd option) for a reasonable S&T. Marshall for a 4 year MLE (I think he is limited by this because of the over 36 rule, if that is still in the CBA) is a decent option. But Swift or Walker gets us in a better position 3-4-5 years down the line so as we are not carrying two 35+ year old PFs for a quite a lot of dough.
