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Why Luther before Steve at the 2 spot?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BackNthDay, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. BackNthDay

    BackNthDay Member

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    Watching the two, I'm well aware that Luther's jumper is definitely better than Steve's.

    Their bball IQ is about the same in the C category. Luther will jump in the air to make a pass and turn it over. He'll dribble up the side of the court and turn it over. Plays little D especially in the post and very rarely gets a rebound.

    Steve dribbles and holds the ball until the shot clock hit's zero. But Steve will play D, rebound, and finish at the rim if given the opportunity. I think the only thing holding Steve back from getting Luther's spot is running the offense the why Aldeman wants it done.

    Be patient Steve your minutes are coming.
     
  2. ReD_1

    ReD_1 Rookie

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    Lack of condition and injuries slowed down Francis,you gotta take that in consideration.
     
  3. BackNthDay

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    I understand that point, however, Steve still can play the game at higher level than Luther hasn't developed any part of his game since coming in 3 years ago.
     
  4. HotRocket

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    Luther has played great.
    Steve has played okay in stretches (specifically most recently).


    But in this offense, the 2 guard is supposed to be able to play off the ball more so than initiate the offense. Luther has been pretty good running through screens and getting open for jumpers or easy layups. Steve still tries to break his defender down rather than get himself open.

    I like both players, but at this point Head is a better choice coming off the bench first.
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    hahahaha
     
  6. LScolaDominates

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    What a refreshing perspective! I read the other 10 threads on this subject front to back, but there was something lacking in the analysis that I just couldn't put my finger on... until this! Like the glimmer of hope at the bottom of Pandora's Box, your vision shines light on a question that was previously shrouded in a sea of darkness. Props.
     
  7. BackNthDay

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    Luther does look better playing off the ball. However, Luther gives up more points than he scores. Please remember the Utah series when Luther check in, Jerry Slaon immediately check'd in Harpring or Giricek who torched Luther down low.

    We have to remember that Luther at 6'2" has to hold 6'6" players. That's why Stackhouse murders us when Luther attempts to check him
     
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    luther has a good BBIQ.
    Steve has a horrible BBIQ. Steve has always had a really bad BBIQ.
    Luther knows his limitations and really works the things he does well...i.e. shoot the damn ball.
    Steve has tons of hustle and more pure athleticism than most players and can flat out finnish at the rim.

    These are just two entirely different players so it really just depends which player complements Yao, TMac and the rest of the team on the floor and as of right now Luthers outside shot and lack of mistakes is a better match at this time.
     
  9. BackNthDay

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    Thank you for your articulant point of view. I guess you search posts to make a negative comment, if that get's you off please feel to continue with criticism. However, another option exists, skip replying to post you dislike.
     
  10. ReD_1

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    Both,Luther and Head will see playing time at SG position.
    If we're running game with lower players,Head will come in but if we seek some athleticism,and defense Rockets will put up Steve Francis at SG or even at PG position.
     
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    And your assuming Steve wouldn't give up the same amount of points. He hasn't played defense since JVG shipped him off. He was a revolving door all preseason, to him no JVG means he doesnt have to play defense.
     
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    better shooter
     
  13. GermanRoxFan

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    the luther head that played the preseason games hasn't impressed me at all. but neither has steve. so it's all good how it is. francis and head will probably split time at sg depending on matchups. but steve has a shot at moving up in the rotation if he works hard while luther has not.
     
  14. LScolaDominates

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    I was wrong to mock you. I'm sorry if I offended you.

    However, could you at least try to justify starting this thread? For what it's worth, I would have taken you more seriously if you had something novel to say. Instead, your thread comes off as an excuse to have your name showing on the BBS front page.
     
  15. madmonkey37

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    Don't worry hes just another Francis fan boy who can't comprehend how Stevie can't crack a rotation that consist James, Alston and Head. Not a scary trio that will have opponents shaking in their bballs shoes. Its arguable that he should get some minutes backing up the 1 spot, but Francis has absolutely no idea how to play the 2 guard position, which is quite laughable since his previous 2 teams tried to play him as a shooting guard and he still hasn't tried to learn how to play as one, that or either his IQ is too low to learn how to play as a 2 guard or his ego can't take the position change.
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    At the risk of offending Head fans, Luther Head is, and never will be, a starting caliber player in the NBA. He is not even close to PG material and is too undersized to play SG.

    His only clear strength is shooting 3s. He can't even shoot mid-range jump shots consistently and has never shown the ability to get to the rim. He is not a good free throw shooter either. His dribbling skills are mediocre at best. His passing skills are extremely questionable. He is too predictable and unsure of himself when he tries to pass the ball.

    Luther only got playing time last season because he played on a team with little depth and few choices in the backcourt. He is a good boy at practice so Adelman is giving him the nod over an out of shape Francis at this point. If Francis is patient, I expect this to change over the next few weeks. Luther lacks the creativity and skill set to be effective in Adelman's system.

    Can you see Head getting significant time in Dallas or San Antonio? Of course not. He would barely see the court. The same is true for most other teams throughout the league, including the below average ones. Do you think the Bobcats would have a starting backcourt of Felton and Head? C,mon... get real. Head is not Iverson. Not even close.
     
  17. BrooksBall

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    Extending my last post, Luther Head is barely even good enough to be a rotation player on a bad team in the NBA.
     
  18. mzymmm

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    Agreed. Steve will be a much better upgrade in our backcourt defense. I am sick tired of seeing tony parker drive to the basketball for a layup, and rafer just shrug and like "what can i do coach". Try that on SF3, you will see t-park face down on the floor. steve: " put a move on me? not in your life time"
     
  19. LScolaDominates

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    Wow... you are completely full of ****. Coming out of your ears, full. Luther's done nothing but improve since he put on a Rockets uniform, and every indication from the preseason seems to suggest that the trend will continue this year. I could try and pick apart your points one by one, but it probably won't do much in the way of getting your lips unfastened from the Franchise's balls.
     
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    luther can spot up and shoot, plain and simple, and luther does play good on ball defense.

    but the shooting is what steve needs to work on.
     

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