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Why isn't yao getting enough shots?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by silentfan, Nov 3, 2003.

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  1. silentfan

    silentfan Member

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    I'm starting to get worried that he is not getting enough shots to build his confidence. He COULD be a 25/10 player easily this year...but we all know that won't happen because he doesnt get or take enough shots in a game. He SHOULD be a 20/10 player if he gets at least 12 shots a game assuming he makes 8 out of 12 and then hits some free throws. He only took 9 freakin shots in 29 minutes tonight. You will NEVER see shaq taking less than a dozen shots for more than a few freak games in a season. So what's going on with the rockets? I didn't watch the game tonight so i'm hoping this is not going to be the same ol' same ol' as last year and all we can expect is a 13-15 ppg Yao this season.
     
  2. wakkoman

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    well for tonight, there was scoring from everybody on the team...4 of our 5 starters were in double digits tonight so thats one reason
    yao is also not playing that many minutes, i definetly did notice he wasnt getting that many touches, but then again we were hitting the outisde shot tonight, so why not keep going that way until we notice it stops working?
     
  3. Jeff

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    As long as we win, the number of shots Yao takes is irrelevant.
     
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    I would take this if Rox can win and the flow is like tonite even we are facing top teams, although I don't think we can.

    Yao is playing great tonite for the space he created for the teammates.
     
  5. saleem

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    I think silentfan has a good point. Yao is still an inexperienced player who needs more scoring opportunities to increase his confidence otherwise his production will go down.
     
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    But I think that JVG and most others try to express the information that "we win or not" and "the number of shots Yao takes" are relevant, so called Yao-oriented Offense or inside-out play. A win is a win, but I would like to see more wins by playing the right way.
     
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    A win is a win. I don't mind about this particular game, but if low shots count continues as a trend there's something to be worried about.
     
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    Yeah it was a win and everybody was hitting their jumpers. But I think there are still problems:

    1) Yao sets a lot of picks, but never gets a roll.
    2) Many times, Yao entered the paint area asking for ball, and not getting the pass, he got out the paint. The problem is Yao and the ball often go to different directions. Yao is not effective if he is on the weak side. It takes too long to get the ball to Yao's side and let him post up. Rox have to work on the offense strategy to utilize Yao when he is on the weak side.
     
  9. kmart9419

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    Yao got his usual 10-12 shots a game. Once he gets to 6 points in the first quarter, he get freezed out. The guards think its their turn. The second quarter, taylor comes in and take all the shots, so forget yao. Mobley, he got to get his points. He'll take his shots good or bad.
    Tonight, I'm quite happy with francis's play. He distributed the ball and shot in the flow.
    A win is win? Against a team that got blown out 3 times in a row. Hardly satisfying. In the second half, ming play teh entire 3 quarter and only shot once. It was the same old iso crap. Quite ugly to watch. Dont expect the rockets to rain threes on NJ. We all know rockets can't shoot 60% from beyond the line. We'll be lucky if we get 30%.
    Yao, well, he was more aggresive tonight. He dunked the ball 3 times. Still too timid. Won't take the shots. I'm starting to think his lack of touches is not the guards but him. Yao simply doesn't want it. He wants to make sure everybody gets 12 points like he does. Everybody is equal right? JVG needs to knock the communism ideology out out him.
     
  10. haven

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    Surely you don't really believe this and are just reacting to the number of threads and complaints on the subject...

    Winning does not validate a style of play, unless it's done consistently. And that's only if it's pretty obvious that a different style of play would not be even more effective.

    I refuse to think that you believe "if we won the game, then whatever strategy we employed is acceptable."
     
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    Yes, a win is a win. But in the long run, not enough touchs will ruin yao's confidence and piss him off. Rox need to find a consistant way to win the game.
     
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    Yao started off well, as usual with about 8 easy points. Then we had a few iso plays for cat and francis, and of course mo came in after that.

    In the third quarter, Yao didnt even really try to get the ball. He just went to the weak side and waited for someone else to shoot. Tonight he simply did not demand the ball, probably because of the large lead we had. and you know, if he aint demanding it, he sure as hell aint gonna get it on this team.
     
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    Maybe - Common sense would tell you that the peson who shoots the highest percentage should be taking the most shoots.
     
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    I think we saw the same game kenny. 3 games, now and Yao has yet to score 20+ points. When somebody is shooting over 60% with such ease and still can't get over 20 points, then there is a problem. I hope the rockets come to their senses soon. Jvg need to realize that he has to dictate to the crew what needs be done. Especially with this group of kids.
     
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    Great and short post. After we were up by 20, Cat and crew stopped passing to Yao and started shooting from the perimeter for the most of the rest of the 3rd. It wasn't a problem tonight, but if Cat does this in close games in the future, it's not going to be good for the Rockets. Yao needs the touches in close games for us to win.

     
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    I think the main reason Yao doesnt get enough shots is because he's so damn unselfish...he has a unique passing ability for a man his size and he's more than willing to utilize those skills...he can score anytime he wants to, but I think he likes the idea of getting his teammates involved and playing a more team game...although I would love for him to be more aggressive, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an unselfish teammate...it's such a rarity nowadays...
     
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    even though most disigree here, i belive francis should be tanking for than 14 shots. He is a a good shooter and penitrator.
     
  18. Rockets2K

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    common sense also tells you to milk the hot hand..

    the perimeter shots were falling, any coach in the league is going to keep going with what works.
    of course, using that same logic, if Yao was knocking down every shot he took...maybe they should have milked that as well.

    one other thing to consider...the amount of shots he takes are not necessarily the number of times he touches the ball. He does have the disturbing habit of passing when he has the clear advantage.

    One of these days, Im gonna count how many times he touches the ball ersus how many times he puts it up and see what the percentage is on how many times he passes up the shot.
     
  19. haven

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    Irrelevant.

    Until Yao, who has been obscenely efficient in every game this season, gets the ball every single time he's open... the rest really doesn't matter.

    There's a problem until the perimeters players recognize that, even on days when they're playing well, Yao still has a better chance at scoring than they do (or at least creating something for somebody else).

    It's beginning to look like Yao shouldn't simply be option 1b, as I thought before the season started. It looks like he should be #1 - period. And Francis should be #2, with everyone else behind them.

    But that's not the way the Rockets are playing. They're playing as if Francis is still #1, Yao's #2... but that the rest of the team only has to pass to him every other time he's open. It's crazy to ignore your best option about half the time.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Incredible. This is an actual thread after a 30 point asskicking.
     
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