Why is Deron Williams widely regarded as the 2nd best PG in the game?

It's a really hard one. I actually think you have a case on this one, statistically they are very close, only big difference is that Deron averages almost 4 assists more per game but at the same time Tony takes more rebounds, better FG%, less TO's. Defensively I think it's a tie.

I can't choose between the two of them but I can tell you this, neither of them are overrated, Deron has been flirting with the 20 p and 10-assist line the two last seasons and yet he hasn't been in the all-star game.

 

Because assists are the barometer for point guards and Parker and Billups have never averaged 10 assists per game for a season. This is going to be Parker's best year assist wise and he's still going to average 4 less per game than Deron.

Paul and Williams are the only 2 PG's in the league really capable of averaging 20 and 10 year in and year out.

If they keep it up and play long enough, then both have a legitimate shot at being top 5 in career assists. You can't say that about anybody else playing right now except for maybe Nash if he decides to hang on for another 5 seasons.

 

His court vision and overall playmaking talent might not be as good as Nash or CP3, but DW can do something those two can't: play good defense. He's a pretty good shooter as well, in fact I'd consider him the best two-way pg in the league today.

 

Call it whatever you want, but he seems to have it.

 

Because D-Will and CP are linked together by most people, almost like Magic and Bird were many years ago. Because CP is the best PG, D-Will's name automatically gets mentioned next. Another reason is TP gets overlooked because he plays in San Antonio. TD gets nearly all the attention there even though they have 2 other key players. When the Spurs actually play on TV, it's plain as day how good TP is. But he hasn't been 1st team all-NBA 50 years in a row like TD and remains in his shadow.

Nash has slipped and shouldn't even be in the discussion for 2nd best PG.

 

Hate to say it but DWill is pretty much the perfect point guard for us. Great outside shooter who can also create his own shot and dish out assists.

CP3 can't really shoot that well beyond the arc.

 

He has an edge on Parker because he can manhandle pretty much any other PG on the defensive end, and is arguably a better floor general than Parker.

I think he distorts the defense just as well as CP3. He's strong enough to get to the rim and can flat out shoot the 3 ball if you give him space.

 

I said at the beginning of the season that Tony Parker was one of the most overrated players in the league. But after watching him play this season, and seeing the success scoring PGs can have like in Cleveland, I think I really underappreciated what he does.

Parker has really improved his outside jumper. It's almost automatic when he dribbles off a screen and pulls up. And in the lane, he's as devastating as any PG in the game not named Chris Paul. I agree, an argument can definitely be made for Parker over Williams. I'd still choose Williams if I could take either, but its close.

 

Parker > D.Williams


Tony Parkers pick and roll jumper is deadly!

 

Agreed, he shouldn't be considered top 2 at this point. But I also feel that the Terry Porter era really put a dent in his reputation more so than any actual decline in his game. His production has been nothing short of great in the 23 games since the coaching and style change.

20.0 ppg
2.8 rpg
9.6 apg
2.7 TO (higher A/T ratio than any year in his career)

53.4% FG
47.8% 3PT
91.5% FT

Problem is, in years past the gap between his offensive numbers and the rest of the field used to be large enough to compensate for his defense, and it didn't hurt to play for a team that had a top record and was fun to watch. Now you have Paul, Williams, Billups, et al. putting up great offensive numbers, leading teams that are as good or better, and playing better defense. But in my opinion he's still a top 2 offensive PG.

 

I'm not sure how different Nash is this year. Like CCR showed, since Porter got axed his production is seemingly on par with previous seasons, at least offensively. And has he really declined that much as a defensive player?

I have to think the Suns problems are mostly on the defensive end. I think Shawn Marion was more valuable than some people gave him credit for.

 

I think part of it is that Parker is perceived as "old" because he plays for an "old" team, and he has been around for a while. I get caught doing it to him also.

(In terms of skill, he used to be ridiculously overrated, but he has grown into what people annointed him as as a rookie, so now he really is that good--and has been for 2 or maybe 3 years.)

But Nash actually is old. His skills aren't in decline, but his questionable back, his inability to play big minutes all season, and his defensive liability in comparison to the others all factor into putting him just behind the "kids"

 

Go check their 3pt FG% this season.

 

His an alright player to have around..I'll give him that much.

I would guess because he makes those jumpers and sinks 'em every freaking time in cluch time against the Rockets in the playoffs.

 

On the surface, it would seem that way. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that he lays down on the baseline when he goes out of the game and the announcers are always mentioning that he does that for his back. But when you look at it objectively, he's only missed 8 games this season (assuming he plays the remaining 5) and he's played within 1 minute per game of his average MPG over the last decade.

He's at an age where a significant decline could occur suddenly and rapidly, but I actually don't think it has started yet.

 

Deron Williams is better than Tony Parker. Deron is just as good a scorer as Tony is and a better passer than Tony. Tony has the quickness advantage, while Deron is one of the strongest guards in the league.

If Deron Williams were not on the Jazz where he has to play in a system, he could be a 25 PPG scorer and dish out 12 assists a night.

 

i feel like last year they were limiting his minutes and he was having back issues late in the season and in the playoffs.

Plus I think the fact that they were able to play at a slower pace for half of this season probably helped..

And it's somewhat out of necessity. They are forced to play Barbosa big minutes, a lot alongside Nash...and Dragic sucked early on and is inexperienced. They didn't have much choice when they know they're not built for the future (i.e. must push toward the playoffs)

But I do give him credit for playing 70+ games this year.. certainly not expected with the heavy workload, regardless of pace

 

id take Deron on our team any day.. even if he is a jazz

 

Tony Parker doesn't really make his teammates any better and that usually seems to be an implied credential when evaluating the best PG's in the league for most people. Plus, as already mentioned: for as great as he is he still gets lost in TD's shadow. Only those that watch and follow the Spurs regularly know how great he's been this year and how he's basically carried them. How he can get to the basket whenever he wants and nobody can stop him.