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Why Have Reserves?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by solid, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. solid

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    If you are never going to use them! I thought bench players were for situations where rotational players were not playing up to par. When your guards are slumping, why not give other players a chance to help the cause? I hope we are not seeing some JVG like stubborness setting in. I am thrilled with the 6-1 start, but it won't last long with our rotational guards shooting 20-30%. Not one non-rotational guard or forward has gotten off the bench thus far this season. Will it take a 20 point blow out W or L for that to happen? Why? What happened to the "spark off the bench" idea. Giving other players spot duty is good for morale. Why not? Why so rigid about the rotation?
     
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  2. TeamUSA

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    .. just another "we want steve" thread. IBTL.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    5 starters; 4 reserves; 3 scrubs. All of our games have been competitive so, except for Deke, the 3 scrubs haven't got any playing time yet. There is nothing to complain about but people will pull things out of thin air.
     
  4. blender

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    Is this one of them subtle sarcastic digs at JVG haters?
     
  5. smileandnod

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    i think you are confusing bench with non rotational players. We do use the bench quite well. Bonzi Wells, Mike James, Scola... Boni has been a force off the bench and James WAS at the start of the season. It really isn't a good thing to being playing 10 or 11 guys a game, then no one gets their rhythm. With that said, I would like to see some rotational changes to our gaurd spot. This poor perfomance will not do. Lets give Brooks and SF a chance. It can't be much worse.
     
  6. solid

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    Is there NEVER going to be a team we play where Landry might be a more athletic match-up, or Brooks be an advantage or yes, Francis be an edge? For a minute or two? Snyder is big and athletic: not even a minute?
     
  7. DrLudicrous

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    6-1, whatever they're doing seems to be working well, until that changes there's no reason to change who is playing.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Bringing a cold player in for one minute during a hot game makes no sense, unless it's a 3 point shooter or good FT shooter on the last possession of a game. Players like predictable rotations where they know what's expected of them. Of course, the 3 scrubs don't like not playing, but that's the way it is.

    Be patient. One of these games we are going to blow somebody out and SF & Snyder will get some time. Plus, if Luther continues being ineffective, SF might snag his 10-15 mins/game. Things may evolve more to your liking as the season goes on. The Rockets have only played 7 games out of 82.
     
  9. rofflesaurus

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    um we do use our reserves. bonzi, james, and scola are our "sparks off the bench". theres a reason why we have non-rotation players....it's because they arent in the rotation, and thus get very little playing time. no coach puts over 10 players in a game because its hard for players to find a rhythm. why would we want to put our scrubs in a competetive game? they get their time during garbage time.
     
  10. macalu

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    i expected this thread to be made by a rookie.

    really, how long have you been watching the NBA? we're going 8-9 deep on our rotation. 90% of the teams would kill for that kind of bench.
     
  11. weslinder

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    The starters have to practice against someone.
     
  12. leroy

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    When did 6-1 become not good enough that we have to b**** about every little thing?
     
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    I agree with Solid. Last year by the second game we played 7 bench players with the same starting line-up as he have now. Disagree with Solid if you want, but to suggest that this thread has no validity is crazy.

    Kirk Snyder, SG 30 3-6 0-1 6-6 1 2 3 1 2 0 1 2 12
    Dikembe Mutombo, C 9 1-1 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 0 0 2 2 2 2
    Steve Novak, F 11 2-2 1-1 0-0 1 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 5
    Bonzi Wells, SG 14 1-4 0-0 0-0 1 1 2 1 1 0 0 3 2
    Luther Head, G 20 6-8 3-4 2-2 0 2 2 3 1 0 3 2 17
    Juwan Howard, F 3 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Vassilis Spanoulis, PG 4 1-1 0-0 3-5 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 5

    Dallas vs. Houston November 4, 2007
     
  14. durvasa

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    A reserve is a non-starter. So, Luther, Bonzi, Scola, and Mutombo qualify as our reserves right now. They are the "spark off the bench".

    And a rigid rotation is what players like. What do good teams have in common? A stable, regular rotation. What do you bad teams have in common? An unstable rotation, where players don't know how much (or if) they'll play from night to night.

    If you listen to Celtics fans this year, they are ecstatic that Doc Rivers has finally instituted a short, fixed rotation. The players who are in the rotation have time to get comfortable in the system and build chemistry.

    Another thing is that we haven't been blown out yet. I don't think we've been down by more than about 10 or 11 points all year so far. If we start getting blown out in one of these games (it will happen eventually), I would expect Adelman to put in another player for a change of pace. Until then, its good to show confidence in the guys who are in your rotation.
     
  15. Blake

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    RICK ADELMAN DOES NOT DEVELOP ROOKIES

    RICK ADELMAN PLAYS WITH TOO SHORT OF A ROTATION

    RICK ADELMAN IS USING A BORING OFFENSE

    It's like a broken freaking record, just insert new coach


    I think that Adelman is still trying to get the team used to playing with these new rotations and is not playing the end of the bench b/c he wants us to have better offensive chemistry.

    The season is still young. I mean, our starters haven't even grasped his offense yet
     
  16. LongTimeFan

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    Why would you want to wait for a loss to change things up? Our guard play has been PITIFUL. I don't see any reason NOT to change. Alston and James contributions are not the reason we're 6-1 - it's about improving your team. There's nothing to be proud of in a come from behind 3 point win against the lowly Bobcats. I'd rather RA make a change before the losses rack up.
     
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    I disagree. We may not be 6-1 w/o James. He's struggled the last two games, but he played well in the first 4.

    Rafer on the other hand......
     
  18. Blake

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    So this is an undercover Steve Francis thread :rolleyes:
     
  19. wnes

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    Of all the reserves, the one I am least worried about is Bonzi. He knows Adleman's system, and meshes very well with Yao. Even when he has a bad shooting night, he still contributes significantly in getting rebounds and finding open teammates. Some of his passes to Yao, for instance, are Nash-esque.

    For some odd reason in the last several games, MJ and Rafer are not complementing each other as we expected. MJ is getting cold shooting hands from Rafer, and Rafer has got MJ's shoot-first mentality. Very perplexing. But I think the trend will not continue for long since both are seasoned veterans.

    The coaching staff need to give Scola a stern lesson on his foul trouble. Some of his habits from Euro league have no place in NBA. In last night game, Bobcats' commentator astutely noted Scola's cheap foul on a failed rebounding attempt, in which he pushed a Bobcat out of bound.

    Luther is a streaky shooter and learning to expand his game. On a loaded team like ours, he is an eighth man at best. His contribution, or lack thereof, has fairly little impact on our success at this stage.
     
  20. macalu

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    name one team that plays more than 9 players in a game.....


    ....waiting...



    ...still waiting....


    ....anytime now....
     

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