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Why Germany isn't Convinced

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Why Germany Isn't Convinced
    Joschka Fischer is wrong to resist the Iraq war. But he's not evil.
    By Paul Berman
    Posted Friday, February 14, 2003, at 9:43 AM PT


    Like many Americans and all Turks, I am in despair right now over the Germans, the French, and the Belgians and their NATO machinations. Here are the Turks, facing Saddam Hussein across the border with his terrifying weapons. And, through no fault of their own, the Turks, members in good standing of NATO, might well end up under the most ghastly of attacks. NATO ought to be rushing to Turkey's defense, right? What can those Europeans be thinking in refusing to do any such thing? The temptation to bop the Europeans over their high-minded heads is overwhelming under these circumstances. But then, I can imagine what at least some of those people may be thinking.

    There is the case of Joschka Fischer, the German foreign minister, whose views were discussed in Wednesday's Washington Post by the columnist Michael Kelly. Kelly points out that in the dark days of the radical New Left, 30 years ago, Fischer, the left-wing militant, participated in many a ferocious and violent escapade. Fischer beat up a policeman in 1973 in a street battle in Frankfurt. He was friendly with some of the guerrillas of the German New Left, the Red Army Fraction, aka the Baader-Meinhof Gang, which was the main German terrorist group during the last 30 years. He participated in a conference of Yasser Arafat's PLO in 1969 where the destruction of Israel was contemplated. The young Joschka Fischer was, in short, a New Left firebrand—which, by the way, made him no different from many millions of young Europeans and Americans of his generation.

    Kelly is right about these facts. I know that he is right because he draws his information from a long article of mine that ran in the Sept. 3, 2001, New Republic. Kelly concludes that Fischer used to be a creep, a knave, a thug, and generally a bad guy. And Fischer's knavishness of the past explains his resistance to American policies of the present, to wit, his riposte to Donald Rumsfeld last week—"Excuse me, I'm not convinced"—on the topic of war with Iraq. Kelly cites my article a number of times in arriving at these conclusions, which I suppose was generous of him. Yet I worry that Kelly's citations may have led his readers to suppose that I share his estimation of Fischer's knavish character. I do not.

    Fischer and a good many Europeans of his generation became militants of the New Left in the late 1960s and '70s because, among other motives, they considered themselves to be fighting a war against the lingering Nazism of German life and of Western civilization as a whole. This anti-Nazism of theirs turned out to be foolish in many ways—sometimes criminal, sometimes even Nazi-like at its most grotesque moments, which is why the New Left finally disintegrated. But the anti-Nazi motives were sincere, for all that. The impulse to go fight against totalitarian legacies had a large and (on balance) mostly positive effect on German and European society—or, at least, a great many Germans and Europeans believe that to be the case today. Fischer is by far the most popular politician in Germany right now, and that is partly because many people do credit him with having had moral and admirable motives in the past, even if they (and he) acknowledge that, in his youth, he went off the deep end from time to time.

    In my own judgment, Fischer and his fellow thinkers in Europe and even in the United States are making a mistake in failing to press for a harder line against Iraq—a harder line that might bring about Saddam's collapse more or less peacefully or, if need be, not peacefully. It should be obvious that, in the Arab world, fascist and Nazi-like movements—political tendencies that call for random mass murder in the name of paranoid and apocalyptic ideas—have gotten completely out of hand. In the last 20 years, Baathist and Islamist movements—the two branches of what ought to be regarded as Muslim fascism—have killed millions of people and might well kill many more, and not just in the Muslim countries, as we have reason to know. A war against Muslim fascism ought to be seen as a continuation of the long struggle against Nazism and fascism in Europe—a continuation of the same decent and necessary cause that people like Fischer have always wanted to support, even if they have not always known how to do so in a sensible way.

    I am sorry that Fischer doesn't seem to look on the present conflict as a new episode in that longer and honorable war. But I don't think he is a knave for failing to do so. If a columnist at the Washington Post is going to sneer, he ought to spread his sneers—or at least his criticisms—a little more widely to include President Bush. Bush has failed to present the current war and its impending new Iraqi front in terms of a democratic struggle against totalitarianism. He has failed to discuss in any serious way the moral aspect of the war, has failed to present the war as an act of solidarity with horribly oppressed Iraqis and other victims of Muslim fascism, has failed to show the humanitarian aspect of the war, has failed to present the war in the light of the long history of anti-totalitarianism. The president has failed, all in all, to present the kind of arguments that might enlist the enthusiasm of people like Fischer, not to mention the enthusiasm of people in the Muslim and Arab world.

    "Excuse me, I'm not convinced," Fischer said. We should listen carefully. Maybe Fischer is not convinced because the Bush administration has presented a series of side arguments about weapons, U.N. resolutions, and dark terrorist conspiracies and has failed to present the main argument, which is the single huge argument that has always sustained the Western alliance. This argument is the one about totalitarianism. It is the argument that says: The totalitarians are dangerous to themselves and to us, and we had better fight them. Fight wisely, of course, which the New Left notoriously managed not to do long ago, but fight. Why can't Bush make that argument? I won't speculate. But he could change. He gave up drinking long ago. Let him give up his arrogance, small-mindedness, and aversion to large and idealistic ideas today. It might help.
     
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    Great article as far as Fischer is concerned. Thanks for posting this. I think it confirms what I posted earlier in the other thread.
     
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    That was my first thought...but I don't think Americans are smart enough to go beyond black and white/good and evil thinking. To see other people as multi-dimensional is way too taxing.

    Stupid Americans.

    Of course, you are still an evil German commienazifascist.
     
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    :D
     
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    *ahem*, like I already posted this. Like derrrr. :p
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    A pro-war American did write it though. :)
     
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    Perhaps not the best spot. Here's a story showing that Turkey is not convinced.

    No wonder the US coalition has been called the "Coalition of the Reluctant" by a German official or the "Coalition of the Coerced" by others.

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    ANKARA, Turkey/BAGDDAD, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. preparations for war with Iraq suffered a new setback Tuesday when Turkey dug in its heels in negotiations over its role as a launch pad for an invasion.
    Reuters

    Washington, embroiled in a broader diplomatic battle at the United Nations (news - web sites) over its war plans, indicated it had issued Ankara with an ultimatum and would do without it if necessary.


    The White House also said it might propose a new U.N. resolution this week or next to try to break a deadlock at the Security Council over its stance that Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction and may need to be disarmed by force soon.


    Washington has said it was prepared to go ahead with military action without a resolution, but would rather have one. Close ally Saudi Arabia warned it that bypassing the United Nations would make military action look like a "war of aggression."


    If Ankara continues to drag its feet, U.S. military planners could go ahead without a northern front. But an assault on Iraq from Turkey would relieve a main invasion from the south and could shorten any war and reduce American casualties........................


    turkey
     
  8. rocks_fan

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    Yeah I heard about Turkey not being convinced either. Then they (CNN, Fox News, et. al.) followed it up by saying that while Turkey was pushing back a decision on backing the U.S., they're pushing through a request for billions in financial aid from, among others, the U.S. Nice job by Turkey to get a few more dollars in exchange for their stamp of approval. Of course, that could just be the conspiracy theorist in me.
     
  9. drapg

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    $32 billion, to be precise

    (Note: I didn't post the article b/c it requires registration for access. I don't know what rules are about posting such information in a message board forum.)
     

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