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Why don't NFL teams QB sneak it more on 4th and inches/goal?

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by haven, Jan 11, 2004.

  1. haven

    haven Member

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    Watching the Packers/Eagles. Very curious as to why the Packers didn't just let Brett Favre dive into the end zone. I've seen the QB not make it on a play like that - but very, very seldom. It's not all that uncommon to see the RB get stuffed.

    I always hear fear of injury for the QB as the biggest reason not to. But in about 19 years of watching football, I can't recall one QB being injured on such a play.

    So why does it happen so seldom? It's a guaranteed TD. Why risk putting the ball about 5 yards back... when all you've got to get is a few inches...
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    Simple reason, the Eagles haven't shown that they could stop Green up until then anyway. Big stop for the Birds. Go Eagles!!!
     
  3. JPM0016

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    Ahman Green tripped over his offensive lineman. Had the lineman not been in his way it would have been an easy touchdown.
     
  4. haven

    haven Member

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    Bah.

    The specific instance is irrelevant. Besides... it just shows that there's more that can go wrong.

    QB sneaks up the middle almost works. Almost every single time. It's hard to remember it not working. But coaches seem to actually prefer to call the RB's # when all they need is inches.

    I think it's bizarre.
     
  5. RIET

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    1. It subjects the QB to potential injury.

    2. When a QB sneaks, it's often difficult to gauge whether he broke the plane leaving it to the whims of the officials.
     
  6. mrdave543

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    its also very predictable......can be stopped probably 40% of the time
     
  7. francis 4 prez

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    outside of the fact the coaches have absolutely no sense about clock management late in a game, this is probably my next biggest peeve about watching football. it's ridiculous how seldom the qb sneak is used in those types of situations. maybe, maybe 5% of the time a qb actually gets stuffed, and even then stuffed means they still went forward 2 or 3 inches. when an rb gets stuffed, they can lose 2 or 3 yards, and when everyone is lined up waiting for it, that 2 or 3 yard loss becomes much more probable than normal. there is almost nothing i would do like mack brown and greg davis, but their propensity for us qb sneaking it in from the 1 last season was one thing i would do. if i get down to the 1 yard line or less, especially in a playoff game, i'm qb sneaking it for however many downs i have left (if i'm facing new mexico st. or the like then i'd let the rb go to work, but when talent is comparable on each side of the ball the stuff becomes so much more likely). if i somehow can't get 1 yard that way then i guess it's just not our day. hell, down by the goal line you leave it even less up to the officials b/c you can just do what david carr did against jax and just reach the ball over the goal line and then fall down short of it and still get the td. it seems like most of the time even when a qb sneak appears to go wrong they still get the favorable spot to convert by 1 or 2 inches.
     
  8. RIET

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    Remember when Vince Young snuck it in and twisted his back when the opposing players were trying to split him in 2? This happened more than once.
     
  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Having been a Titan Fan, the qb sneak works every time. Shoot, the QB draw for 10 yards works everytime too. I'm biased on this one. But I too believe the sneak works. The Center knows the count, shoves forward, and the qb follows. Near impossible to stop if you ask me. The QB cn even reach the ball over the line, pull it back, and then try to push forward if his reach didn't work...a-la David Carr style.
     
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    Why would you need to when you have Zack Crockett?
     
  11. haven

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    francis 4 perez: Totally right.

    RIET: But he wasn't actually hurt. And UT did this almost every 4th and short.

    I know injury's a concern... but it just doesn't happen often at all. And it really does seem like the play always works as long as you have a remotely athletic QB.
     
  12. junglerules

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    Exactly. Then again, you have to have 3rd/4th and short, or goal line situations, to actually use him. :)

    Zack Crockett is a fantasy football b*stard, for stealing all of the Garner/Wheatley TD's the past couple of years.
     
  13. jw1144

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    Fumble, fumbilaya!
     
  14. yaopao

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    IMO, there's a .5 second window of when the OL has its surge. A lot of times I see QB sneaks getting stuffed, because the QB plunges forward too quickly, before the interior OL can get a nice surge. I've seen too many times when the QB ends up running straight into the back of his lineman.
     
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    Another similar question: I've noticed a tendency for RBs to get away from going over the top in goal line situations. Priest Holmes did it twice yesterday but it seems that fewer and fewer RBs choose that "flight path" as opposed to trying bull their way over. Priest makes it look so easy. Could it just be that his O-line is simply that good?
     
  16. A-Train

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    Hmmm...running a tough play that doesn't work as often in favor of an easy play that works more often than not...where have we seen that before?
     
  17. Sonny

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    I think it depends on the QB.

    If you've got a Culpepper, McNabb or McNair who's as big as most LBs then you probably run the play a lot more than a team with Bledsoe, Flutie or Gannon.

    It also depends on the OL. If you're blessed with a huge OL then it makes the sneak that much easier.

    I think it also depends on the RB, the better the RB the more effective a sneak is. With a better RB you don't need to sneak that much either.
     
  18. Desert Scar

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    In the NFL where DTs are studs and are not likley to be moved back:

    --A sneak is only close to a sure thing if you only have a foot or less.

    --But if you have half a yard or more, unless you have a McNabb, McNair or Culpepper who can surge forward versus 1 LB or DB, tall order to get the full hard.
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    Didn't mean to be redudent (I had typed my before I saw yours), but I completely agree of course.
     
  20. Sonny

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    Great minds think alike.

    I'd love to have one of those guys on the Bears.
     

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