I mean common.... 90 percent of the frigin fans of the NFL thought Reggie was going to go first.. OK So we don't want Reggie but decide on Mario... WTF>>>>>>>>> Why not trade down and then pick Mario... Please some NFL Guru tell me why they didn't trade down? The Saints would not be as idiotic as us and pass on Bush.
Because we couldn't trade down and still get Mario. The Saints were going to take him at #2. How many times do we have to say this?
now i agree. earlier i was stuck thinking that the texans targeted mario and had to take him because if they didn't, NOLA would. but i think NOLA would have picked bush either way. soooo...you could have traded...perhaps.
true. is mario worth not having extra draft picks?? really??? is moving down to 4 and taking ferguson or something and having an extra pick or two not greater than mario? i don't know the answer to that question..but that's the opportunity cost.
Well, that's my position - trade down and get Ferguson or Hawk (4-6 range). But if the Texans wanted Mario Williams, trading down was not an option. No one was going to trade up for the QB since there are two legitimate choices there. If they were going to trade up, it would be for Bush or Williams, so there was no way to get Williams in a trade down.
But that means that if the Texans trade the pick, the team then picking first is probably taking Bush... then the Saints, not having Bush to take, would have taken Williams... leaving the Texans with an extra pick or two... but a guy they didn't want.
Um what I was looking for is why not trade with the Saints? Houston trades the 1st pick for the 2nd pick plus the latest draft pick the saints have. Whatever that may be in the 6-7th round. What you get is a better value for Mario meaning contract would be cheaper.... 2nd The Texans wouldn't look like the stupidest team in the draft.. 3rd we can save some fans in Houston.
The fact that a franchise as SORRY as the Saints wanted Williams should speak volumes to the Texans. You have TWO freaks of nature in the draft, Vince and Reggie, and to not draft one of them is assinine. Wiliams is NO ....LT ! DD
So, a 6th or 7th round pick would make a big enough difference not to make us look stupid and save some fans? You've got to be kidding me. Believe what you want, but many teams did have Williams on top of their draft board. Many had him ranked similar to Bush. If the potential reward isn't great (which it probably wouldn't be to drop back only one spot), why take the risk of your guy being off the board? If you know who you want, you should take him, because moving down, even one spot, is always a risk... unless you feel comfortable with the return for taking that risk. A late round pick... isn't close. And, for the hundredth time, fans in Houston aren't a problem at all. Every game has been a sellout, and they will continue to be.
Why would the Saints trade with us? To get Bush at 1? They got him at 2. There was no reason for them to trade up.
Hell yes...same thing....... Now if they took Young, they would have a chance at being a good franchise. As he is the only one that elevates the WHOLE team.....in this draft. DD
Going by the assumption that 1. The Saints had Bush #1, Williams #2 2. No other teams in the top 4 wanted Williams 3. Jets were sold on Brick. 4. Titans were taking Vince or Leinart. The only way the Texans would have been able to pull this off was to trade the #1 pick to N.O. for the #2 pick, and pick up a 6/7th rounder. Then trade the #2 for the #4 pick and an extra 1st or late 2nd rounder. Going by this, it doesn't seem likely, and if the Texans were definately sold on Williams being that much better of a better pick than Brick, then well, I still don't think you sign Williams until AFTERWARDS and at least give yourself the option for a team being desperate at 10:59.
Casserly can't leave town soon enough. We're now overpaying Williams when we have 3 other DEs already. I'd trade the first and our third to get the Jets two first rounders for Ferguson and Mangold. Seriously. We even pass up on Justice. I can understand not going for Bush. I can understand not going for Young. I can't understand taking a DE #1 when we don't have the OL to run the Bronco system that Kubiak's installing. I'm alright with getting Ryan since LB is such a need. I'm still excited about having Moulds opposite AJ. But I hate that Casserly couldn't trade out of the #1 if they weren't going to take the top draft prospect. Mario better be a HOF, and McNair better pray that Vince doesn't lead the Oilers to major success. Evan
Since it was Kubiak's pick, he seems to disagree with you (especially based on the 2nd round pick) about whether the OLine can run his system. Besides, it's not like the Denver system is based on top round O-Line picks. It's always been built on a quick, smaller o-linemen.
