Dream spotted up for Jumpers. Patrick Ewing spotted up for Jumpers. That's the reason Rick Smits did anything. CWebb does it. Why make Yao work so hard on the low post all the time? It obviously tires him. Why do the fade-away? Putting Yao from the top of the key to the free throw line would open up the lanes for our guards to drive and dish.
He can't protect the ball when he's facing up against his defender. 80% of the time, his defender waits for that exact time that Yao brings the ball up to his chest for the shot to swat at it, and Yao loses the ball. Of course the players can just throw it up real high for him and have him catch the ball at full arm extension and shoot it but that's difficult to do even for Yao. What he needs to do is master that hook of his. If he's afraid of being blocked, he needs that hook shot to fall.
If JVG coached the Jazz, would Okur ever shoot 3s? Hell, would he even let Robert Horry shoot 3s? Come on JVG!
set a pick for yao. explain how dream and ewing always got their jumpers off. they are shorter than yao!
C'mon, tinman, you are comparing Dream and Ewing with slow-as-molasses Yao? Even Ewing was quicker. You knew better
dunno about Ewing but Hakeem could get his shot over anyone. He could elevate, Yao can't. That being said, I agree that Yao could and should shoot more jumpers. He used to do it during the Rudy years and he did make them at a decent percentage. Just because some of us think he should shoot more jumpers does not mean we think he should abandon his low post game. Take what the defense gives you is the best bet.
i refuse to believe that all those coaches can't figure out how to get yao open for jumpers. Post Tmac up and if the double team comes out, kick it to yao open at the free throw line. or have yao palm the ball with one hand and do one of those michael jordan fakes. set some reggie miller picks for yao. I'd rather have Yao take a jump shot then Rafer, Chuck, Juwan, VSPAN etc its sad that his jump shot skills are not being fully utilized.
Dream, Ewing, Robinson and others didn't "spot up" for jumpers. They "faced up" meaning they faced their guy and were able to shoot over him or drive around him. That ONLY works if the offensive player has the ability to get around his defender. Because of the implied threat of getting to the basket, defenders will sag and leave a shot available. Yao is a VERY high percentage guy when he is within 8 feet of the basket. His numbers fall off dramatically outside that range. I'm not saying you couldn't have him take a few 15 footers on a semi-regular basis. I'm just saying you don't want to take your best post weapon and put him 15 feet from the basket on a regular basis.
Our best post up player is shooting fadeways on Paul Milsap some 5 foot powerforward. i'm not saying that Yao should turn into Rex Chapman. He needs to mix up his game if the low post isn't working. Also, it expends less energy, we KNOW Yao gets tired. What about a little Cassell bump move to create space against his defender. Sam gets his 15 footers over much taller players. we're just asking the tallest player in the NBA to shoot over some midgets, thats all.
I don't think anyone is implying or suggesting making this the focus of his offensive attack. But it is a good strategy to mix in every now and then. Keep the defense hinest when things are changing a bit and not be so predictable.
No, I disagree. Sometime, he is a turnover machine in the low post, and get tired easily. There is no evidence to show that his numbers fall off dramatically outside 8 feet range. Because there is no game plan for him to shoot open jumpers. I think we are talking about open jumpers not fadeaway.
In addition the complaints about Yao's spot up J are because he's trying to shoot from bad post positioning. In an offense where he is open space facing the basket he won't have trouble getting his shot up and he never has. I am not saying ditch Yao's post game, I am saying lighten the beatings he takes so our second best shooter can reserve his strength and utilize all of his skills. That was not such a radical concept until JVG got here. At the same time maybe Yao's time with JVG was what he needed, but it's time for the 2nd phase of his career and to let his instincts take over. Yao's adjustments/improvement has taken awhile, but I want to see what I saw in his rookie year: artistry, intelligence and fearlessness. JVG and Thibodeaux have had a negative effect and I attribute Yao's work ethic and time itself for his improvement over the least four years. We know what Yao is now within JVG's narrow conception of what a center should be. And he's much better than he's given credit for. It cracks me up that we have two guys on this team that were considered legit MVP candidates this year, but they both "just suck". I think JVG "gets" it. He's done what he knows how to do. And it hasn't worked for Yao IMO (I will admit that his effect on T-Mac has been profound) and I believe Les is seeing the same things I am. Free Yao! Sorry, JVG. Good thread tinman!
this is one thing i am with jvg, actually I would have hoped JVG did the same with TMAC, especially in the 4th Q : no jumpers allowed, just attacking the rim. i think most players will just shoot jumpers if you give them the green light.
I don't mind that Yao doesn't get setup for spot up jumpshots but what I mind more and I mean a HELL OF A LOTE MORE is that Tracy doesn't attack the basket enough!!!!!! Yao Ming - Spot up jump shooting < Tracy attacking the basket!!!!!
Yao Ming posting up all the time and no easy jump shots = Tired Yao Ming Tired Yao Ming = NO OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS No Offensive Rebounds = gone fishing again.
