both Duncan and the Dream They both have similar games and are classy players I hope Duncan becomes the best player until Yao takes his spot Its better then Shaq or Kobe
Similar games??? Where do you get Dream and Duncan have similar games? I do think Duncan is great player and I love to watch him player, however Dream and Duncan do not have much in common in terms of their game. Dream = tons more blocks and steals and a much much bigger defensive presence, also a better rebounder at this point in his career compared to Duncan Duncan = much better passer at this point in his career than Dream Both have comparable scoring avgs too. If you are comparing Dream in his prime to Duncan now then there is absolutely no comparison. Dream's offensive game was flat out sick in his prime. Anyone will agree with that. His defensive game is also much better than Duncan's is now as well. If anything I would compare Dream and Garnett. Both guys have the size and the quickness and Garnett seems like he has the ability to have similar offensive moves like Dream, however his defensive presence, while still great, will never be that of Hakeem's.
Dream was deadly in the post; Garnett doesn't play post. That's where the comparison's come from. Also: stepping up in the playoffs; making average team-mates play better than average, etc. That's what put Hakeem into a different league from Robinson; & what sets Duncan apart from C. Webb, Garnett, et al.
I like Duncan...I like Robinson. I like them primarily as individuals. And I loved Hakeem... so it's possible. But that doesn't mean I can't still believe that Hakeem at his prime is far better than Duncan right now.
Ok I did get ahead of myself with Garnett right now, but he looks like he is the only player in the league with ability to develop those amazingly quick post spin moves and fakes like Dream had.
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Tim Duncan or Hakeem? If Yao Ming were to emulate his game after one of these people, who would it be?? I would guess Tim Duncan. Not because Duncan is better but because you cannot suddenly acquire Hakeem's unworldly athletic ability. But, a player can work on their fundamentals ad basketball IQ, that they become just a effective. I think this is the case with Duncan. He doesn't seem as great as the Dream because he doesn't wow you with his game. He doesn't have a Dream Shake or pogo-stick swats, but the guy is every bit as effective as Hakeem. Dream is like Michael, a player whose physical ability may only come around once a generation. Duncan is like Bird or Magic, whose limited physical ability makes you wonder how they're so great. Instead, they play the game the way its supposed to be played. And they end up out thinking their opponents. Nobody will ever be better than Hakeem in my book, but Duncan deserves to be mentioned in the same breath. Personally, I think Duncan is a better rebounder than Hakeem. Maybe the memories are just fading, but I don't quite remember Hakeem being as consistent. IMO, Duncan has much better hands than Hakeem. Just so I don't sell my idol short, Hakeem's advantages: offensive creativity, shot-blocking, hand quickness, and heart.
I think your memory is fading. Tim Duncan is nowhere near the offensive rebounder Hakeem was pre 1996. Not even close. I think Duncan is a good rebounder because he gets great position, especially on the defensive boards.
Derrock, Exellent analysis. I agree with your contrast and comparison of both players. I think Duncan and Hakeem's rebounding is about even though. Hakeem has 6 or 7 years in a row of 12+ plus rebounding. If you look at the declind in Hakeem's rebounding #s, alot of it is offensive boards. He just didn't attack the offensive glass in his prime like he did when he was much younger. That might be due to the fact that he took his game further outside, with the fadewards and whatnot, as his career progressed.
In fear of my memory fading, I decided to do a quick check of TD's and Hakeem's rebounding stats. Duncan ('98-'03): 3.3orpg 9.0drpg 12.3rpg Hakeem ('85-'95): 3.8orpg 8.5drpg 12.3rpg Hakeem ('85-'90): 4.3orpg 8.1drpg 12.4rpg So you're right and codell is right. Hakeem was the better offensive rebounder, especially in his frist six years (same time Duncan has been in the league). But, in terms of overall rebounding, its about the same.
Derrock, If you are into stats and history, go to hoopscorner.com and download their historical database. Every stat for every player and every team for every year in NBA history. Detailed stats too. The program is free and is easy to navigate. I absolutely love it and consider it to be my best source of NBA statistical history by far. Juan Valdez will vouch for it.
Hakeem put up MVP like numbers his 1st 6yrs in the league, but back then ,Kareem,Jordan,Bird, and guys like that were winning rings and just as dominant. In Hakeems 1st 6 yrs he avg 23.2 pts,12.4 rebs,and 3.4 blks. In Duncans 1st 6 yrs he avg 22.9pts,12.3rebs,and 2.5 blks. Judging by that they're pretty even, but like I said, Jordan was putting up like 35 a game, Larry Bird was 25ppg,10rebs and 6 asst and Magic was 20pts 12asst and 7 rebs. Although Duncan do have some competion , his numbers aren't tha striking yet he wins MVP awards. When Hakeem was puttin up better numbers, he wasn't even 10 5 in voting. It just tells how dominant some of the players were when Hakeem was playing.
Like any player you want. Just don't be a fair-weather Rocket fan. Support them when they are losers. Support them when they are winners.
Thanks for the info codell. I actually downloaded quite awhile ago but I don't use it that much because it often causes my computer to crash. I'll check it out again and figure out what's up.
