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Why are we down on McHale?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Puff, May 28, 2011.

  1. Puff

    Puff Member

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    Full disclosure, McHale was not my first, second or third choice for the Rockets...

    But my question to you is why? Why are many Rockets fans down on him?

    Is it his because he had a less than spectacular record as a personnel guy? Well he won't be the personnel guy here, so why does that matter?

    Is it because as an interim head coach he was, um not good?
    31 games in 04-5 he went 19-12... he did have a nice squad, but above .500....

    Then most recent 08-09, 20-43. Do you know that roster? Kevin Love before he was Mr. Double-Double, and a rookie... Plus? Al Jefferson and no one else...

    And anyway, the sample set is so short, no reason to bust on his coaching or lack there of...

    Duane Casey, my personal favorite, lasted 122 games with a 53-69 record.

    He has a colorful track record as an assistant and coaching overseas.

    Bottom line is we dont know. I trust Daryl with players, I am willing to trust him with coaches. He get the most out of anybody and has found SEVERAL diamonds in the rough.

    I know McHale blew them away with his basketball knowledge. I know he can assemble the best staff. I know he had a clear cut vision for EVERY player on the roster.

    Why not wait and see? Daryl most know something. The only thing Morey has not been successful at is being a Doctor (YAO) or wooing free agents yet.

    This could be a step. Your thoughts?
     
  2. The Real Shady

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    White guy who played in short shorts, and not from Houston.
     
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  3. durvasa

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    I'm more ambivalent than "down". But I think its a combination of:

    (1) Unhappy that Adelman wasn't retained.

    (2) McHale has a poor reputation amongst many fans. He's seen as a failure as a GM, which makes fans question his abilities as a basketball evaluator.

    (3) Inexperienced/unproven as a coach. Its not clear how motivated he really is to be a head coach.

    (4) General cynicism over how the Rockets front office (or ownership) is managing the team. The impression is that the organization makes a lot of noise in the media, but results-wise they fall short time and time again. So why should fans get their hopes up with this latest move?
     
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  4. Brandyon

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    People are down on him because they prefer to hire people who have succeeded at the job they are hired for. McHale has only done the opposite.

    Personally, I'm ok with it if we have that Joerger/Finch combo to do the actual coaching.
     
  5. saleem

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    He has great basketball knowledge and can help players develop their skills. There are many raw players in the NBA,but coaches don't have the time to teach/develop their skills during the season.

    What else can he bring?

    Players respect a head coach who can guide them during the game more than anything else. His former players have pointed out that he used to rely on his assistants to draw up plays.

    This is a red flag. If a head coach can't tell his players how to execute the game plan,especially on a relatively young team like the Rockets, than we are in trouble. A better coach wouldn't have ended up with a 20-43 record.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    His complete inadequacy as a GM is the most concerning thing to me -- I understand that he won't be in that position, but he'll certainly have influence. He was a great player, but his time in the front office was a major flop and that is the strongest evidence we have to go on right now.
     
  7. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    This, and the 1986 Finals. Great summation, Durvasa.
     
  8. BetterThanEver

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    If Riley can go 15-67 with the Heat, then it shows a better coach can end up with a worse record with injuries to your star player such as Shaq(Heat) or Jefferson(Wolves).

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2008.html
     
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    Remember that scene in Role models where danny asks Mclovin' if he likes coca cola?
    And Mclovin responds, I like the idea more than I actually like it?
    With the Rockets, I'm starting to feel that Management likes the idea of winning more than actually winning.

    I don't dislike Mchale.I dislike that a coach has to play the roster that the GM tells him to in order to be employed by the rockets. fubar. =/

    Football scenario: People didn't like Wade when he was hired by the cowboys because he was basically Jerry's " puppet boy".
     
  10. BetterThanEver

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    Adelman didn't have much luck influencing front office decision. Look at the major flop of Adelman with Battier, T-Will, and Thabeet. It has been mentioned that Adelman was upset with the trade of Battier and that he doesn't like the way Morey does business. Morey didn't get the head coach's input, before making the move. I suspect that Morey will tread McHale the same way or even worse.

    Adelman didn't give any playtime to T-will or Thabeet, even though Morey wanted those players.
     
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  11. DaDakota

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    Puff,

    If you trust Daryl then why did he get rid of the 8th winningest coach in NBA history for a guy that may be much worse, he certainly won't be better.....

    That is the main issue for me.

    You don't screw with what works....

    DD
     
  12. saleem

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    I know Adelman had his problems at GSW,but he did better without having Yao and T-Mac.
    I doubt if McHale can come close to what RA was able to do.
     
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    FACT:

    There is one Rockets employee who has built a team that went to the Western Conference Finals as the head basketball personnel guy. There is another Rockets employee who has been the head basketball personnel guy, but his team only reached the 2nd round of the playoffs at best and he inherited the star of that team from his predecessor.
     
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    I doubt McHale comes close either, but it's mostly a personell issue. There is a big gap in talent from the Trailblazers, Kings, and a top winning coach. The Rockets team is composed of players that are closer to Adelman's Warriors or Riley's 2008 Heat than an NBA finalist.
     
  15. Chris Jent MVP

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    rick adelman set the bar too high with his 44 wins. it will be inmpossible to win more than 44 next year with mchale.
     
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    He did it because it was plainly obvious that we needed to rebuild, which will most likely involve moving veterans, like Scola and Martin, which is something that Adelman was just not on board with (Adelman wanted to keep the team intact) ... and also is it really 'working', when you end up with the 14th pick, year after year(mediocrity)..
     
  17. Rocket River

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    How about this. . . the man is a Proven Cheater.
    Remember him trying to Cheat to get Fricking Joe Smith

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_McHale
    "It was also during McHale's reign that the Timberwolves were punished by the NBA for making a secret deal with free agent forward Joe Smith to circumvent the league's salary cap rules. Before the 1998–99 season, Smith agreed in secret to sign three one-year contracts with the Timberwolves for less than his market value. In return, Smith received a promise that the Timberwolves would give him a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract before the 2001–02 season.":mad:

    So . . . for all those that pile on Barry Bonds and Roger Clements. . . .
    how do you welcome this cheater into the fold?

    OH! Let me get that in before the . . 'everyone does it . . he just got caught'

    nothing inspires trust like someone that doomed a team to obscurity to sign Joe Smith.

    Rocket River
     
  18. clos4life

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    This is it. By far, the worst part is we went from RA to McHale. That shows the organization is not committed to winning, no matter how much hot air they spew otherwise.
     
  19. Chris Jent MVP

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    it's true. they only signed mchale so they can get lucrative shoe contracts from china.

    when will greedy slave owner alexander learn ?????
     
  20. Easy

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    durvasa pretty much summarized it. I'd add that most former great players don't make good coaches.
     

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