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"Why are we defending this Afghanistan?" (Aid worker to be killed for converting)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    One-legged Afghan Red Cross worker set to be hanged after converting to Christianity

    An Afghan physiotherapist will be executed within three days for converting to Christianity.
    Said Musa, 45, has been held for eight months in a Kabul prison were he claims he has been tortured and sexually abused by inmates and guards.
    Mr Musa, who lost his left leg in a landmine explosion in the 1990s, has worked for the Red Cross for 15 years and helps to treat fellow amputees.
    Said Musa is facing execution unless he converts back to Islam
    He was arrested in May last year as he attempted to seek asylum at the German embassy following a crackdown on Christians within Afghanistan.
    He claims he was visited by a judge who told him he would be hanged within days unless he converted back to Islam.
    But he remains defiant and said he would be willing to die for his faith.
    He told the Sunday Times: 'My body is theirs to do what they want with.
    'Only God can decide if my spirit goes to hell.'
    Defence lawyers have refused to represent him, while others have dropped the case after receiving death threats.
    Mr Musa was arrested after a TV station showed western men baptising Afghans during secret ceremonies.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-converting-Christianity.html#ixzz1DDpsZnI0

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    Why are we defending this Afghanistan?

    Jihadist terrorism must be confronted and killed and that means the U.S. must be in Afghanistan, which for decades has, along with Pakistan, meant safe haven for the Osama bin Ladens of the world. Billions of U.S. dollars and the blood of thousands of young American men and women have been spent to that end in Afghanistan.

    But what are we to do with the reality represented by cases like those of Abdul Rahman and Sayed Mussa, Afghans who converted from Islam to become followers of Jesus Christ and for which they now face the death penalty according to Afghan law?

    Rahman escaped death only because of the intervention on his behalf of the U.S., which spirited him out of Afghanistan to live a life of of anonymity elsewhere to be safe from Muslim fanatics who take seriously the Koran's injunction to put to death all who forsake Allah for the Christian, Jewish or other gods.

    Mussa has yet to be so saved. He faces the death penalty for conversion and at this point there appears to be little likelihood that he will be spared that fate. His plight is the subject of a front-page story in today's London Sunday Times, but its unfortunately behind a pay wall, so I can't link you to it.

    Politico's Mike Allen, however, offers these excerpts from what appears to be a devastating look into the truth about the Afghan theocracy being propped up by U.S. blood, treasure and arms:

    And yesterday's edition of The New York Times also carried an important story on Mussa and the plight of Christian converts in Afghanistan. The Times notes that U.S. officials are trying to find a solution that will spare Mussa's life:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs...hy-are-we-defending-afghanistan#ixzz1DDqHwOhk
     
  2. Commodore

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    Not so much defending as maintaining a presence so it doesn't become an Al Quaeda safe haven again.

    Not much of an end game there, but preferable to leaving.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I agree, but I don't understand why the Western world cannot put some pressure on Mr. Karzai to change crazy laws like this.
     
  4. showtang043

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    these are faults of people who are(or atleast claim to be) muslims, there are similar issues recently posted by soldiers who were christians, jews or whatever, black white or whatever, and everyday in jail and in society, unfortunately, there are rapes and murders by people who share various faiths.

    Now your claim is the issue is that these are religiously motivated, but if the religion itself does not condone these actions or teach these actions(and we can go by the book on where it calls such actions heavy sins), then it is merely the people acting in these evil ways, is it really representative of the religions?

    the 2nd action is purely political and is done by muslims but with no religious context as well, so I think you are proving the point on this not being an islamic problem, its a problem of a troubled and corrupt region, yet even if they take the name of muslims, when the book itself says it is wrong, when the religion it self says its wrong, can you really go on to blame the issue is the religion, or just these people. You won't find american muslims in the same situation, because the political/socioeconomic situation is different, so the problem might be related there rather in the simple fact of their religion. Some of this is as arbitrary as claiming christianity is an issue when some of these rapists or murders do crimes and might be screaming god damn you, or god is my witness ,or so just because htey are born into something and they do these bad actions, yet the bible itself doesn't condone it.

    I just think you are pointing the finger at the wrong things, but you know that already...
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    showtang, did you read my post at all? I am pointing the finger at the Afghan government/parliament and at the Western powers who are apparently not putting enough pressure on the Afghan government to get this crazy law repealed.

    The article states that Karzai directly ordered for this to happen. He is just in Munich right now at the security conference:

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    Merkel and the others should talk to him about this poor man's fate:

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    You are the one getting defensive even though I said nothing about Islam here.

    However, since you start discussing it, some Muslims claim that the death penalty is appropriate for apostasy - and it is even the law in some countries. Can you convince them (not me, but I would like to read your reasoning) that this is an incorrect understanding of the religion, rather than getting defensive at me for wanting the law repealed and this poor man saved?

    P.S.: By the way, I also think that religious aid organizations should refrain from trying to convert people when this could threaten their lives, and should focus on their humanitarian work only.
     
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  6. Mathloom

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    I agree, I don't know how this kind of stuff can be allowed to happen.
     

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