why are those people in china acting like a holes.

First of all China is not a communistic country.

Who's in america? Yao? Shaghai Sharks? ChBA?

They're not in america and they're not part of the NBA so why would they want to follow the rules, they will have to follow some though 'cause NBA-teams aren't allowed to break them. The Sharks and the CBA have allredy accepted that Yao will be of to the NBA i think. Now they're only trying to get as much as they can in return.

If we get Yao I don't think his contract will say that he's our property and will do whatever we wan't him to.

The situation is complicated and I think I know enough to know that I don't know enough. For you, Stevie Francis, it seems to be the other way around.

 

you are freak like your shoot. you are stubbon on your rules.
If you don't want Yao Ming, why did you make a such stink fuss?
CHina, Yao, did not beg your permission.
About that spy plane with 24 murdurers, it was not welcomed by their rule..
"Very sorry" for that.

 

someone update me.. did we take over china recently?

 

I'm no expert on China, but it's not very hard to tell that it's not communistic country (edit: at least if you know something about communism) with their market economy and all. That doesn't mean that it's a democratic country though.

 

Right on, nilsrock.

Although you will never hear it from President Jiang Zhe Ming, China is a capitilistic country right now under some smoke screens called communism. Nobody gives a damn to Karl Marx' theory even it's still taught in schools.

The Chinese now are thinking along the line of making money then buy themselves Porche and Bentleys. Sounds a little like the Americans huh?

One or two months ago, a Chinese private owner of a Mercedes Bens got pissed off at his lemon car. The new car just kept breaking down and Diamler-Chrysler's service, in his view, was extremely lackdisical. He's frustrated and what did he do? He hired some people and hammered that $200,000 car publicly in his own zoo. The new's all over China and caused a PR crisis for Diamler-Chrysler.

Of course I wouldn't mind if he lends me that junk car and drive a few miles myself.

Back to the thread, just do business in the regular way with those Sharks people. Shanghai people is famous in China for their shrewdness, what they say in public needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Acturally they are not causing any real troubles, at least to what we know for now.

 

When Yao Ming can board a plane and leave China of his own free will, we'll talk about communist smoke screens.

 

Capitalism and dictatorship are not fire and ice, they coexist and work well together.

Countries and regions like Taiwan, Korea and Hong Kong were under capitalism and dictatorship when their economies took off.
Taiwan and Korea later turned democratic after their industrialization.

The key difference between capitalism and communism is the allowance of private ownership of properties and production resources. As for China, there is about 8 million small to medium private businesses currently. That number is keeping growing daily.

The exact reason for every communistic country to be totalitarian is that the government must dictate in order to repress the natural desire of people to have their own property, operate their own business, and which eventually leads to being capitalists. It does not imply a reverse relationship that every dictatorship must also be communistic.

So I can tell you for sure that China is capitalistic country right now, only that they prefer to call it the Market economy as opposed to the Planned economy. Actually the word communism is not even popular right now, it is wisely replaced with "socialism with Chinese characteristics". You get the meaning of "Chinese characteristics."

Let's go get Yao, just to make this post related to the forum.

 

The Chinese government knows that communism isn't doing well for them. That's why they adopted many capitalistic practices. As China's economy shows, China is gradually turning into a capitalistic country. Do you think it is wise for them to instantly and OPENLY declare that they're not a communist country? Look what happened to Russia when it broke down communism and took on capitalism. It created more problems than when it was communist and its government is still corrupt! China needs its government to take control of its economy and political affairs. Sudden changes like that creates too much chaos and problems and the Chinese government forsees that. If you look at China's econmy, it is really capitalism!

(off-topic but somewhat related..... )
Why do you think students were run over by tanks in Tienamen Square? That happened because that was the only way to restore order in the country. I had a Chinese professor for my political science class. He was one of those students that prostested in Tienamen Square and he even admitted that it was the right thing to do for the Chinese government in order to restore peace. There were two choices that the Chinese have at that time: give the students what they want -- capitalism and chaos, or stop them. Tienamen Square wasn't really big news to China -- it just happened that Reagan was in China and the American reporters were there. The Amerians didn't really understood what was going on in China and only saw tanks running over people. That's what that created this cruel image of communism in China. This all came from my Chinese professor that was once the same student who was in Tienamen Square!

Sorry to digress but I guess I wanted people to get a different perspective on that.

 

24 murderers, huh? Ok, how about this. Your pilot got what he deserved. How do you like that?

 

You people in China need to trust us more...sure we have spys, you have spys, that is part of the international political game and completely separate from the wholesomeness of sports...But regarding the NBA and Rockets, I can assure you all our intentions about being honorable with Ming is very true. Rudy is a high integrity person who will do what he says...He will not have any problem having a relationship where Yao can represent the national (China) team and come back to get training and play for the Rockets when we need him.

 

Worst Thread Ever

 

Guess we can clarify a lot like this.

 

Then why are you reading it and making it worse by spamming?

 

Nobody really knows except those pilots really know what happened. Do you think if it was our fault we would admit. Do you think the chinese would admit it. No, so lets stop insulting each other and stick to basketball.

 

Although you will never hear it from President Jiang Zhe Ming, China is a capitalistic country right now under some smoke screens called communism. Nobody gives a damn to Karl Marx' theory even it's still taught in schools.

Way to go Nilsrock and Panda!!! As I remember from political theory, you can have a type of capitalist economic system with out free speech, free elections and other aspects of political democracy. Pinochet Chile, China, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Singapore? etc.

Since in the US we have free elections, free speech and a captialistic economic system, this misunderstanding seems like common sense to many Americans.

By the way don' t forget the hangout thread where this discussion should belong. Can you have capitalism without democracy?

 

This is Basketball, are we resposible for other peoples actions? NO! Take your hating posts some place else!

 

Last time I checked, China was a Socialist country, like the USSR was. Communism has never existed in the history of the world, basically because it is impossible. Socialism is supposed to be a step in the direction of Communism, but nobody ever has or ever will make the next step. The idea of Communism is that everybody in the society is 100% equal. Well that can't happen because people are different from the moment they are born. Also, it's a natural trend in nature that there is going to be a leader. In human societies and in animal groups. So when you have a leader, they are automatically unequal. As for the Yao talks, I don't know what to tell you. As long as we don't have to bend over backwards for people other than Yao, there shouldn't be a problem. Also, we don't really know what is going on so it is hard to comment on the facts of what goes on during these meetings.

 

Oh is that all?

 

Yeah, Timing, when a state violently crushes peaceful dissent by its citizens, there are a lot of nuances that we just don't get.

You have to be in or from China, were the transmission of ideas and information is strictly controlled by the totalitarian government, to be able to fully understand what happened.