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Why are the Texans struggling in the red-zone?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by bmd, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. bmd

    bmd Member

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    In the beginning of the season, the Texans were one of the best teams in the league in red-zone touchdown percentages.

    Now, it seems like it's nothing but field goals from the red-zone.

    Is it just a lack of execution? What's the deal?
     
  2. YaosDirtyStache

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    Just like in Politics...being a Conservative means being unable to progress.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    This has been a problem for 4 years now.
     
  4. spence99

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    they can't pass in the red zone, so all teams play all out for the run. Why do we not throw to AJ in the red zone? Makes no sense to me.
     
  5. Pringles

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    Also penalties. Penalties are killer.
     
  6. Nimo

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    Execution. The play-calling hasn't changed that much. Either defenses are defending better or the players just aren't executing like they were.
     
  7. bmd

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    No, it's not just like in politics. Conservative in politics is simply a label given for a certain set of beliefs.

    Being conservative in the context of a football game is a measure of risk.
     
  8. Nick

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    I believe they were near the top last year as well as the year before.

    It was a problem in 2009.

    Echoing whoever said penalties. They've had their fair-share of those lately. Also, they're not mixing it up as much as they used to... seem to be intent on pounding it in with Arian (as he did lead the league in rushing TD's)... but its now allowing teams to sell out against him.
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    haven't you heard? Kubiak and Schaub say they take what the defense gives them and lately opposing defenses have been stingy.
     
  10. Pringles

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    Wait, if defenses are defending our play better, then shouldn't we be changing the play-calling?
     
  11. Nimo

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    I blame rezdawg. He complained that the Texans always run on 3rd down. Now...

     
  12. DonnyMost

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    That is if you count field goals.

    They are basically right in the middle of the pack when it comes to TD % over the last 3-4 years.

    Which, for a running team, is pretty lame.
     
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  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    It's a mystery that's been discussed many teams. I am now resigned to thinking the problem has to do with a little bit of everything.

    Playcalling
    Lack of redzone passing options
    Weaker run game
    Mediocre power run game (line vs line)
    Schaub's inability to extend plays

    I also haven't seen the FB get involved as much. Leach and even Vickers used to get looks.
     
  14. tested911

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    You can say O-line, Play Calling,RB's,WR's, opposing defense, but at the end of the day it's on the QB..

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  15. josephnicks

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    both schaub and kubiak have the mind set that 3 pts is better than a turnover, so they want call for high risk plays.. they will go with vanilla to avoid turning the ball over.. FGs all day..
     
  16. Cannonball

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    Our TD% this year was 54%. Not great but not bottom of the league either. It's middle of the pack, #14 in the league. In our last 3 games, it was 25%.

    In truth, our Red Zone TD% has been up and down during Kubiak's tenure.

    2011: 48% (23rd)
    2010: 62% (5th)
    2009: 52% (13th)
    2008: 46% (26th)
    2007: 61% (4th)
    2006: 57% (9th)

    That said, our worst years (2011 and 2008) were seasons where Schaub got injured and missed 5/6 games, forcing us to rely on a 5th round rookie and Rosencopter.
     
  17. emjohn

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    Or #14 at 54%
    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

    Last 3 games: 25%

    2011: #23 at 48%

    2010: #5 at 62%

    2009: #13 at 52%

    (All numbers TD only).

    2011 was affected largely by four things:
    The substantial downgrade from Leach to Vickers/Casey, Foster missing about a month of play, followed by Andre's chronic hamstring woes, followed by Schaub's trip to the IR.

    2012 was affected by the retooled O-Line, and the substantial TE blocking downgrade from Dreesen to Graham.

    But when you come down to it, it's all but inarguable that our woes of the last month have come in correspondence with Schaub's MNF PTSD. 1 TD since we walked into Foxboro. On the entire season, he had 14 TDs inside the 20.
    Last year? 7. (10 games - projects to 11)
    2010? 18.

    So when you swing back around - you can't say that our current red zone issues have been around the last 4 years. Maybe we haven't led the league up until now, but it's absolutely fallen off a cliff starting against NE.

    I'm very hopeful that Saturday injected Schaub with some badly needed confidence. That was a tough as nails secondary he faced and 29 completions is the most on that defense since Eli Manning managed it 2 months ago (in a loss).

    Don't try and spin it away from Schaub when all 16 of Foster's TDs came from inside the red zone. If you want to go after someone else to deflect blame, it would almost have to be Kubiak's gamecalling.
     
  18. rezdawg

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    My complaints were geared towards 3rd and long in our territory.

    I have no issues with kicking FGs when in the red zone bc that usually happens when the defense isnt giving us the TD as a viable option. When the opposing defense decides to take away the TD as an option, doesnt matter if we run or pass, because we're going to get our 3 points regardless.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    You were writing that post for nearly an hour...?

    lol @ two people correcting me after I had already corrected myself. :)
     
  20. Naija Texan

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    The Kubiak/Dennison combination seems to favor the run. This has come at the cost of short yardage passing because we are limited at TE and there is only certain personnel they trust to try passing for short yardage (A. Johnson, Daniels, Foster and Graham). Other teams have noticed this along with Schaub's penchant to throw the ball away when in trouble rather then make a play, so they play for the run while keeping defenders on the usual targets, Schaub is more likely to throw it away then put it in a position for a receiver to make a catch it.
     

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