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Whose reputation suffered the most during the Olympics

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by DeAleck, Aug 19, 2004.

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Whose reputation suffered the most during the Olympics

  1. Larry Brown

    14 vote(s)
    8.0%
  2. Richard Jefferson

    82 vote(s)
    46.9%
  3. Carmelo Anthony

    42 vote(s)
    24.0%
  4. Stephon Marbury

    22 vote(s)
    12.6%
  5. Lebron James

    9 vote(s)
    5.1%
  6. Amare Stoudamire

    6 vote(s)
    3.4%
  1. DeAleck

    DeAleck Member

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    Vote and explain!
     
  2. KaiSeR SoZe

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    Richard Jefferson.

    I thought he was going to be one of the few suprises (Don't know why) but he sucks! maybe he's going through some draught or something but he misses everything! I don't buy that Jason Kidd makes him look good theory just yet, I guess we'll have to wait for the season to begin

    on a side note, Carmelo Anthony's complaint about minutes surely didn't help his rep
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    This is the first poll on this site I really have to think about. I will eliminate Lebron though, because I think Larry Brown is going to play him more, and I think we will really see positive things as a result.

    Carmello has to watch it, or the comparisons of him to Glenn Robinson are gonna become more accurate than he wants. This guy already has one incident on his resume when he didn't want to go back in the game during the NBA season. Now he is showing the worst attitude of a group of players that have been known to have some attitude problems. The funny thing about Carmello and Lebron, Lebron started off badly with the suspension and Carmello was looking like this team's best player.

    Amare Stoudamire, we knew what he was. A dunker and a rebounder. A Shawn Kemp clone with no jump shot. I don't think his reputation has been hurt too much, although I really don't understand why he can't get on the court. Its not like Boozer brings that much more to the table. Maybe a little more toughness.

    RJ, can we beat this dead horse any more. I was one of those who was happy when the Rockets drafted him, but I was happier to get Eddie Griffin. RJ is what he is, unfortunately a few Finals apperances with Jason Kidd have given the public a false image of him. I never really expected much from him but I think he is a better shooter than he shown.

    Marbury, what can you say. He is what he is, great stats, no impact. We all know, we've seen it for years.

    For me this leaves Brown. Its a toss up between Brown and Carmello. I really doubt that this team has been coached to get the most out of his talent. First, he tries to turn them into a half court team when there are absolutely no shooters, but then he doesn't play his best playmaker Lebron as much as he should, because he isn't a half court player. Today was the first time this team used its advantages, depth and athleticism. I know you can't press the whole game, but why wait till you're down twenty to Puerto Rico. I like most people think Brown is the best basketball coach in the world, but he really hasn't shown it so far.

    So I vote, Carmello. The attitude problem is scary, and it seems to be getting worse.
     
    #3 pgabriel, Aug 19, 2004
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  4. PiPdAdY33

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    It's being exposed how badly Rj needs Kidd to look like an olympic caliber player. Don't get me wrong, he's a good young kid and can continue to improve but to actually deserve to be there but he'll need to prove himself this year w/o Kidd.

    But to be fair, I don't think Rj was the only leech in this situation, I believe Kmart took full advantage and I'm eager to see how he plays this year.
     
  5. snowmt01

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    I think R.Jefferson is in a major funk. He played much better than
    that even when Kidd was injured(Actually he had his best games
    during that stretch). He should bounce back.

    Melo on the other hand is exposed for his extreme immaturity
    and bad attitude. I think his reputation would hurt the most in
    the long run.
     
  6. saleem

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    Maybe my expectations of Marbury are higher than some other people but he has been a disappointment for me in the clutch situations.
     
  7. krocket

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    The guy who is showing up the worst of all is not in the poll. I don't even know his name, but he is the person or persons who crafted this team. Although we obviously have the more individually talented players, they are certainly not team players and we are glaring weak in PG and C and we are lacking leadership on the floor. Obviously, shooting is also a problem, but that may be more due to the lack of a floor general than anything.
     
  8. DeAleck

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    Stu Jackson? Nah, his reputation can't go down anymore. There is just no room for that.
     
  9. zenmar

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    Dwayne wade is pretty dissapointing as well as amare, I really thought he would dominate bec. of his power and athleticism but it did not happen. the reason he is not use much is because he is a liability on defense.
     
  10. isoman2kx

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    richard jefferson --- poor shooting, not as good as advertised in the nba finals

    carmelo anthony --- agree with another poster in this thread.... attitude problems are becoming a disturbing trend for these young superstars who think they own the world....
     
  11. steddinotayto

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    nominated RJ and Carmelo.

    Reasons for RJ

    -poor shooting. you do not excuse miss layups after miss layups or miss put backs. I can excuse the lack of shooting range..well I guess i'll give that to him...but to miss shots that are uncontested and so close is well basically..inexcusable.

    -some say 'he played badass when Kidd went down'. Yes, lets see what happens when both Kidd and the Princeton offense leaves. Richard Jefferson is all athleticism and nothing more and these Olympics proves it. When a team like Puerto Rico can challenge you to take the open shot and you freeze up like deer in headlights, you are not worth the contract you signed and you are defintely not worth an Olympic spot on the team

    Reasons for 'Melo

    -I thought he had reason to pout and whine about not being selected to the Olympics when LeBron got the invite. Thought the kid had something to prove. I was wrong. All he wanted to do was try and showboat and hoist up any shot that comes his way. I saw this in the only game I watched and that was the Puerto Rico game. That loser of an attitude might be ok in the NBA, but to carry that onto a team representing your country--the same country that gave into your baby-ish cries and demands--is utterly ridiculous.


    DIShonorable Mention:


    Reasons for Amare:

    -is there anything more beautiful (as a Rockets fan) and more grimacing (as a Team USA supporter) than what happened to Amare when Arroyo drove in and practically faked Amare to the floor?

    Reasons for Brown:

    -he does a lot of repelling of responsibility that's all i can say. I mean it's unfair to expect him to get these particular guys ready in 2 months but don't proclaim yourself a basketball genius if you can't even have your team ready to play Puerto Rico and Greece.

    -and for his opinions on the player selections. No final word from Brown, but he does get a voice. Okafur over Redd?? Amare over Brad Miller? please

    Reasons for Marion:

    -he's doing a decent job down low rebounding but if there was one player that International players can rag on the most has got to be Marion. Botched put ins, missed lay ups, and arguably one of the most unorthodox, ugliest, and eyegouging shots ever seen in the history of basketball. No defender in their right mind would need to defend Marion's jumpshot...ESPECIALLY in international competition.

    Reasons for Marbury:

    -People think Marbury and Iverson are cut from the same mold--after these Olympics, I hope those people changes their opinions. Iverson shows grit and determination. He actually shot well when he didn't have to hoist up last second shots or carry the team like he has to in the NBA. Marbury...all you have to do is feed your big men dude.
     
  12. LakerMania

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    To those 3 ppl that voted for Lebron James, do yourself and society a favor and put a bullet in your head.
     
  13. jlwee

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    I voted for carMElo as well... reason being i thought he is 20... but he sounds like he is only 5 years old to me...:(
     
  14. Puedlfor

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    Why can't you press and run all game long with this roster?

    I vote Larry Brown.
     
  15. Drexlerfan22

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    Why don't you do everyone a favor and let opinions be opinions and facts be facts?
     
  16. LakerMania

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    Oh please it was a joke.

    You have to actually watch the games in order to offer an educated opinion or fact. Anyone who says Lebron has had the greatest reputation degradation has obviously not watched the games, he has played well and stayed humble doing it.
     
  17. jello77

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    i think the guys who refused to come to the olypmics are jerks. their rep suffered the most.
     
  18. LiLStevie3

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    Brown does get to voice his opinion, but he doesn't get to choose. He had publicly asked for a zonebuster like a Michael Redd or Rip Hamilton, so the committee asked Rip. Then when Rip turned it down, the committee inexplicably went to Wade, Anthony, etc., probably for marketing reasons.
     
  19. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Member

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    I wished he could have pushed for Redd after Rip decline though. But I know these Olympics has all been a marketing ploy.

    "With everyone dropping out, lets just try to milk as much money as we can out of LeBron and Melo. Forget the gold, dead presidents will do"
     
  20. francis 4 prez

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    larry brown or richard jefferson. jefferson is definitely taking the most heat for his atrocious shooting. he is obviously a better shooter than this (36% on NBA 3's) but he is missing anything and everything. 5 footers, open 3's, jumpers, layups, you name it. he's definitely taking the most heat.

    brown hasn't figured out a way to get this team to apply defensive pressure consistently, has played a crappy starting lineup, won't press, suspending guys for being late, basically ostracizing melo. has melo been lazy in practice? i don't know, maybe he has. but he was playing well in the pre-olympic games and brown put a stop to that. he seemed to be the only guy who wasn't always hesitating on his shots, but apparently that's forcing shots and being selfish so he'll have to sit. being 20, you could probably predict his reaction to that. he's not just gonna be larry's lapdog and let larry's ego get to win since melo has his own ego.

    someone he's got us shooting so bad it's comical. i believe of the guys who actually take 3's for us, the worst shot like 28% in the NBA. and those shots couldn't have been more open than the ones we are taking here. we're freaking shooting 16% on 3's!! it's not like we're shooting our average and our average is bad. no, we're shooting 12% worse than the worst of our worst. i mean damn. i have to think part of that is on brown and the way he's running the offense, but maybe that's just me. of course it could just be a huge team-wide funk. imagine if we were shooting 12% better than our best. we'd be shooting 48% and have 60 extra points.
     

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