I don't know one was more horrific for a shorter period of time. The other was slightly less horrific for a longer period of time. Why does it need to be a contest? I think we can safely say that they were both horrible tragedies, and not have to have winner on who was hurt the most.
I agree. Two terrible events... one lasting years and one lasting thousands of years and involving many races. Millions died in both cases. Any educated person knows the difference between the two. And they were both unspeakable.
This is pointless. How do you look back at history and say "these people suffered this horrible thing, but it wasn't bad as this. . ." Why don't we just ask, "if you had to choose, would you go with slavery or genocide?"
I don't see the point of even posing this question. Just like the adage that there are no graduations of sin, there are no graduations of evil either.
Very interesting. Perhaps we should examine some sort of legal action to remedy the historical injustice that was the holocaust. The holocaust has created an uneven playing field for Jews and they deserve equal access. I think a potential solution should be allowing Jews access to jobs and universities to create a diverse environment. Yes, then other students can learn from diversity, or if that explanation does work for you, we can disguise it by saying that they deserve greater access because they come from poorer schools. If that doesn't work we can say that they have been systematically opressed over time and this new legislation will remedy that. Clearly they have been oppressed. I mean look at the NBA -- there are very few Jews. This is obviously the result of the good ol' boy system.
I may get a lot of heat for this, so before I state my opinions let me first say that it is impossible to really compare the two and they were both tragic events. With that in mind, I think that victims of slavery suffered more because of how many people suffered and how long slavery went on. Millions must have died (although we obviously dont have an exact count) and millions more must have suffered. Although the holocaust caused millions of deaths, it lasted a relatively short time (compared to slavery)
The lack of Jews in the NBA doesnt have ANY connection with the holocaust, that is absurd to connect the two.
I think we need to reframe this argument, because anti-Sematicism, while probably reaching it's highest ( or lowest) point with the Holocaust, was nevertheless a practiced and often violent evil since and during the early 'Middle Ages'. Examples of Anti-Semanism pre-Holocaust: * For hundreds of years, throughout most of Europe, jews were refused permission to have any profession. Their only money making option left; money-lending, ironically soon was used against them as they were labbled with only being concerned with money. As such, in the vast majority of cases, if a Jewish money-lender was not re-paid, it was laughed at and essentially court santioned, as judges almost invariably threw out debt cases ( otherwise considered very seriously) if the complainent was Jewish. * Violence against Jews was continual, and again, almost court sanctioned. VIrtually every incident of a Jew being beaten or killed would be thrown out as the victim was not worth the court's time. * Governmental persecution of the Jews, dating back to the Romans, continued through to modern day. Throughout this time the usual anti-semetic practices would be highlighted by severe and deadly anti-semetic revolts. For example, in the 14th century alone, there were no fewer than 26 major antisemetic revolts all across Europe, from Seville in Spain to Krakow in Poland, and were usually the result of outbreaks of the Plague, which, like most societal ills, was usually blamed on the Jews. Each of these revolts resulted in thousands, sometimes tens of thousand of Jews being massacred. That's just an example...and it carried up to modern day. Pre-WWII, there were antisemetic marches in NYC, and even here in Toronto. And, worse still, the Final Solution of the Nazis wasn't enacted until their first solution, deportation to other nations including England, France, and the United States, didn't work because we turned them back...hundreds of thousands to Jews, at the ports of arrival, like Ellis Island, and sent them back to the concentration camps. I would say that to compare the longterm evil of slavery with the short term evil of the Holocaust is an unfair comparison, but if you include also the long term treatment of the Jews, and ask which has been treated worse by history, with all due respect to those who suffered from the incredible evil and cruelty and injustice of slavery, there is no real comparison. The Jews have been getting royally screwed for millenia.
Can't really say, but the Russians who were banished to work in camps while Stalin was in power were undergoing some pretty harsh conditions in those Russian winters as well.
Good point about the Russians. The genocide of the Native Americans (both North and South) should be considered as well.
T_J, while I am opposed to affirmative action, it is hardly because I maintain that minorities haven't been oppressed, up to this very day. This malicious, ridiculous mockery of the suffering of others just to make some sarcastic, patronizing point is piggish beyond the extreme. You are very, very lucky that the only poster in here who tattles on others isn't likely to report this post, 'cause unlike the others, this one'd be pretty legit. Disgusting...and unlike people like yourself, I don't throw this word around lightly. In fact, although I'm not sure, this might be the first time I have said it in earnest in here. Don't bother to respond and tell me this is just more of your psych warfare, because while recently I had just been laughing you off as a harmless, and often entertaining pest, this is so far beneath contempt, whatever your motives, that it would almost be lower of you to say stuff like this for the sake of one of your games than if you really meant it.
