Who should get most of the blame?

Is there a everyone button. I'll pick that one

 

No, but it's their job to give the players the best possible environment in which to thrive. JVG gets a big "F" on that one.

 

I second that.

Given these options, I picked the players. We don't have the right group. Tmac trade really left us in a bad situation.

Someone proposed Yao+bad contracts for Lakers w/o Kobe before, it is sounding pretty good right now.

That's just frustration talking. This loss is really getting me down. I understand we are playing with 4 on 5 right now. But we should not have lost by 30.

We need JJ to report and a trade like those poor Asians need help.

I am calling all fans to help out however much you can. $1 can go pretty far in southeast Asia. The body count right now is like 60,000.

 

I thought we played like a borderline playoff team before the JJ trade. Then the management f!ed it up with a meaningless trade.

 

I picked JVG only because I can't stand the doom and gloom that this team is under. We went from one of the best coach/player/fan relationships to the worst. The fans hate the coach, players have no confidence and are always worried about making mistakes, and all we ever get is blunt answers and gloomy looks from the head of the team.

 

Excellently stated Mogrod. I think sums it to a T. Even when the Rockets were losing and some of the fans wanted Rudy's head it seemed they still liked the guy for the most part and didn't lose hope for the team. But with JVG fans are leaving in droves, and for the ones that our staying loyal to the team, well let's just say some of them want his head.

 

I have tried to be optimistic but tonight was rediculous and unless Wesley turns into Michael Jordan overnight I think it is going to be more of the same.

It is a combination of CD and JVG.

CD, on one hand, has made some of the most idiotic personnel moves in NBA history (Shandon for Rice, Rice for Amaechi, Najera for Langhi, 3 first rounders for Eddie Griffin, not resigning Posey, the list goes on and on)

JVG outright has done nothing with this group of players. It is pitiful. We are below .500 with title contending talent. It's time for him to go.

 

First, let me say that I don't think we have title contending talent. Once you get past TMAC and Yao, our team is comprised of a bunch of has been players who have all lost a step. We have little athleticism and it shows.

We play poor defense and our effort is just pitiful. You can't blame JVG for all of that.

I have always believed there was enough blame to go around. CD for all the past personnel mistakes; JVG for failing to maximize talent; and the players for failing to execute.

I still believe, however, that the bulk of the responsibility falls on the players and the effort tonight was just pitiful - like they had given up.

With that said, I am sadly moving into the fire JVG camp. Unless we can pull some miracle personnel moves and turn this thing around in the next few weeks, I don't see much else that can be done.

Although I am a fan of JVG, it is clear that he is losing this team and that the players either can't or won't buy into his system.

I am even more concerned about Yao failing to develop the proper mentality. He loses focus (like on that free throw rebound that was taken away from him last night) and has failed to consistently decide to take over. Perhaps he doesn't have it in him, but watching him lead the Chinese national team and his dominant spurts on the Rockets leads me to believe otherwise.

In my view, developing Yao is JVG's biggest responsibility and he is failing. I'm beginning to wish for Dell Harris, who seemed to develop a good relationship with Yao over the summer. Nothing and I do mean nothing is more important to this franchise than Yao's development. And his effort last night was nothing short of pathetic.

 

The way this team has played this season can NOT be blamed on any one person. Period.

There's PLENTY of blame to go around. All of these people share in it.

 

RocketAddict,

This is the second post you made tonight that saved me a lot of time. Post more.

I have not yet moved into the coaching change camp yet. But if TMAC and Yao had turned on him, it's time. I'm hoping for JJ to report tommorrow and make ANY trade to get a pf soon.

HippieLoser,

Right on bro.

 

Yea, what Rocket Addict & clove said.

Bottomline is, JVG is a good coach, but it is looking more and more like he is not a good coach for these guys. If the players have turned on the coach, especially the stars, it's time for him to go. The team is at fault as well for not putting out full effort all the time, but it's starting to look more like the players have stopped giving thier all for the coach rather than them not caring. If it were just a few players, or even a few games, then I would put more blame at the players' feet. But, the fact it is a whole roster and seemingly every other game that it is a problem, I see it being a team & coaching staff divided.

 

Certain players react a certain way to criticism/ridicule. Some people take it as a challenge and want to "show up" the coach and prove him wrong, some players are the opposite. I have a feeling that most... well all of our roster is filled with players who are so used to losing, hearing negativity toward them or their team, that it just doesn't do anything to them when JVG goes crazy on them telling them how much they suck. I can't imagine how the Rockets are behind the scenes.. but I don't think it's pretty. JVG needs to handle this team a different way but no, he won't, and that's why I want him gone. He'd be a great coach for some other teams but not this one.

 

I get the feeling that playing under JVG is probably a lot like working for a tech company in the Silicon Valley circa 2002 or for an oil company in Houston circa 1984. It's really really hard to focus on the task at hand when all anyone can think about is how not to get laid off....

 

Pretty much sums it for me.

Since I could select only one button...the players. I still have that "thunk" sound in my head from Mo's 3 straight wide open face up J's vs the Bucks.

 

Players, Players, Players, Players!!!


It all comes down to making shots. When the Roxs hit those shots they win big, see the Clipper game.

When they don't they get blown out, see last nite, on second thought don't.

The players need to step it up and be professionals!

 

JVG has no proven offense, and our offense looks disgusting on the court. It's not just missed shots, it's that we don't get as many good looks as just about any other team.

I don't think that you can hold players responsible for a crappy strategy.

 

I said JVG. If all he stresses is defense then I can understand our struggles to do other things.

If I could have picked everyone I would've.

Pugs

 

I would be happy to dump on JVG if we didn't have a bunch of scrubs playing with Yao and TMac

I can't believe how easy it is to jump on Grumpy when we have no rebounders, no perimeter defenders, and guys who can't hit the open shot and are over the hill.

Tell me one coach that could take this mix of players and do better than .500?

Be honest- no one

I don't care about blame anymore- this is about getting this trainwreck turned around.

Think rationally- we have a good center, a superstar guard and nothing else.

Bad contracts and swollen knees everywhere.

RudyT is lucky, if he had this group he would be splitting time between Yao and Motumbo and asking TMac to win every game for him.

Does anyone notice we have zero point guard, small forward and power forward?

zero

 

We just got stomped by a whole team of scrubs last night. A 7-16 team ... totally whupped us. Up by 30... was a bunch of scrubs.

Don't try to tell me that the coach isn't failing when that happens.