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Who let bin Ladens leave U.S.?

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  1. gifford1967

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    Inquiring minds want to know.

    From www.thehill.com

    Who let bin Ladens leave U.S.?
    By Alexander Bolton

    The Bush administration has refused to answer repeated requests from the Sept. 11 commission about who authorized flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of 2001.

    Former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.), vice chairman of the independent, bipartisan commission, disclosed the administration’s refusal to answer questions on the sensitive subject during a recent closed-door meeting with a group of Democratic senators, according to several Democratic sources.

    However, former Navy Secretary John Lehman, a Republican appointee who also attended the meeting, said in an e-mail to The Hill that he told the senators the White House has been fully cooperative.

    Democrats suspect President Bush, who met privately with the Saudi Arabian ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, on the morning of Sept. 13, 2001, may have personally authorized the controversial flights, several of which took place when all other U.S. commercial air travel had been halted.

    The White House communications office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    If Bush or members of his inner circle are shown to have approved the flight of the prominent Saudi Arabian citizens, it could be damaging to Bush, who has staked his re-election campaign in large measure to his carefully built image as the steady leader of the war against terrorism.

    Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said she asked Hamilton and Lehman if they were able to find out who in the administration authorized the Saudi Arabian flights.
    “Who did this? Why would the Saudis want to get out of the country? They said [those questions have] been part of their inquiry and they haven’t received satisfactory answers yet and they were pushing,” Boxer said.

    Another Democrat in the meeting who confirmed Boxer’s account reported that Hamilton said, “We don’t know who authorized it. We’ve asked that question 50 times.”

    Boxer said she obtained a commitment from Hamilton that the commission will state in its final report if the White House refused to answer questions about who authorized the Saudi flights after the 2001 attacks.

    Hamilton, who was traveling to New York for commission hearings scheduled for today and tomorrow, could not be reached for comment.

    Al Felzenberg, the commission’s spokesman, declined to comment because he said he was not familiar with the discussions with the Democratic senators.

    Last month, the Sept. 11 commission released a statement declaring that six chartered flights that rushed the Saudi citizens out of the country were handled properly by the Bush administration.

    In a recent interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” Prince Bandar said he did not discuss with Bush the need to evacuate Saudi citizens from the U.S. after Sept. 11. He said he asked the FBI for permission.

    However, John Iannarelli, the FBI’s spokesman on counterterrorism activities, has denied the FBI had any “role in facilitating these flights one way or another.”

    Bill Harvey, a member of the Families Steering Committee, which represents the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, said the lack of White House cooperation on identifying who authorized the Saudi flights, fit into a pattern.

    Pressure from the Families Steering Committee was one of several factors that prompted the White House to agree to the creation of the Sept. 11 commission.

    “I stopped being surprised about this a long time ago,” said Harvey, whose wife died in the attack on the World Trade Center. “They’ve not been cooperative. There’s cooperation and then there’s cooperation. Are they doing things under possible threat of subpoena? Yes. Are they actively fulfilling the spirit of the commission’s requests? No.”

    “The White House was opposed to the formation of this commission in the first place,” said Harvey. “They did everything to neuter it. Earlier this spring when we tried to get more time for [the commission to complete its report], the White House was an obstacle.”

    On the afternoon of Sept. 13, 2001, three Saudi men in their early 20s flew in a Lear jet from Tampa, Fla., to Lexington, Ky., where they boarded a Boeing 747 with Arabic writing on it waiting to take them out of the country. The flight from Tampa to Lexington was first reported in the Tampa Tribune in October 2001.

    Earlier that day, the FAA had issued a notice that private aviation was banned and that three private planes that had violated the ban had been forced to land by military aircraft, according to an article late last year in Vanity Fair.

    The flight from Tampa to Lexington was one of several flights that Saudi Arabian citizens took in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, when the rest of the country was prohibited from flying. Many of the Saudis were members of the Saudi royal family or the bin Laden family.

    The New York Times has reported that bin Laden family members were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret meeting in Texas and then to Washington, from where they left the country when airports were allowed to open Sept. 14, 2001.
    Overall, close to 140 Saudis left the U.S. days after the attacks, even though 15 of the 19 terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks were Saudi Arabian.

    By contrast, prominent Americans such as former President Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore were stranded overseas during the crisis because of the freeze on air travel, Craig Unger wrote in his 2004 book, House of Bush, House of Saud.

    Bin Laden’s family has long disassociated itself from Osama bin Laden, head of the al Qaeda terrorist network, which was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. The family has condemned the attacks.

    Nevertheless, many critics believe that law enforcement officials should have questioned the family members for any leads they might have been able to provide about bin Laden’s whereabouts, his connection to the attacks, or about possible future attacks.

    The commission is scheduled to deliver its final report at the end of July.
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    If I were a Bin Laden, I think i would be scared too ... and wanting to leave the US.
     
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    Here we go again. Another consipiracy theory brought to you by the looney-bin left. Yawn. :rolleyes:
     
  4. gifford1967

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    Bama, what are you doing over here, when you have been called out by Sam, over in the draft thread. He really would like to get your comments on the Bush Administration's reliance on the UN in Iraq. When you're done with that you can come back here and explain which part of this story is inaccurate.
     
  5. GreenVegan76

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    The family of Osama Bin Laden -- who had just masterminded the greatest terrorist attack in U.S. history -- was authorized special privilege to fly out of the country while New York burned and all planes were grounded. Asking why seems pretty reasonable to me.
     
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    I really don't believe that his family had anything to do with it. His family was/is quite respected in the KSA, but its just that they have a retarted son who happens to have a lot of money, and a twisted mind, and the ability to convince people to perform acts of terrorism.
     
  7. mrpaige

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    While the September 13th flight from Tampa was done while commercial airliners were not flying regular routes (limited air travel had resumed), according to Spinsanity, there isn't any evidence of any flights with Saudis on it leaving the United States until after regular flights had been resumed and after they had been questioned by the FBI.

    Most of these bin Laden family members were reportedly high school and college students who were only tangently related to Osama and most of who had never even met him.

    I don't think the 'why' is an invalid question, though I don't think anyone would be happy if the answer was "we feared for their safety" or "we wanted to know where they were, so we rounded them up" or "some of these folks were high ranking government officials, so they kind of needed to get back to their country and run the place since several of their citizens had just initiated an attack on the United States and who knows what might be going on over there that needs tending to" or even "We have a close connection with the Saudi government and thought it prudent to offer them some special treatment since we knew we were going to need their help since several of their citizens just attacked the U.S." or a combination of any of those.
     
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    Oh, I agree. Osama doesn't reflect on his family, at all. We're all individuals, and Osama and his family "split" a long time ago. I get that.

    But why make the single exception for his family? What made them so special? Nobody else could fly, but they're allowed to fly to the country that supplied all the terrorists? Why? To protect them from American backlash or Osama's retribution? As a favor? A negotiation tactic? Or was it simply miscommunication? Who gave final clearance?

    Given the circumstances, these seem to be very reasonable questions.
     
  9. mrpaige

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    Wasn't a single exception for his family. Limited flights had resumed on the 13th, and it wasn't simply bin Laden family members who were ferried around, there were many Saudis, including Saudi government officials.

    And I don't know that others weren't ferried around. I've not seen a full listing of every flight that took place that day and who was on it. Flying Saudis around is just the one that sounds like a story, so it gets the attention.

    Plus, since the ban was lifted at 11am on September 13th, I'm not sure the claim that these people flew while the avaition ban was in effect is entirely accurate. Though the bulk of that travel was allowing diverted flights to continue to their destinations or repositioning aircraft in preparation for resuming the normal schedule, the skies were not empty on September 13th. The airlines apparently had to get approval for their flight schedule from the government, but flights did happen that day, though many of the big carriers didn't ramp up until the next day.
     
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    i've flown out of the lexington airport- no way the runway's long enough to accomodate a 747. you'd have to fly out of cinncinnati, perhaps.
     
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    The question is Did the Bin Ladens and other Saudis get special dispensation to fly when civilian aircraft was grounded? The answer seems to be yes. The next question is who authorized it and why. I don't know if anyone on those planes had any connection to 9/11 and the point is neither did anyone in the U.S. government. But given that most of the highjackers came from Saudi Arabia, it would seem reasonable that we wouldn't let this group of people leave the country , much less give them special permission to fly, until they had been thoroughly questioned. And finally does anyone believe that if this had happened while Clinton was president that there wouldn't already have been hearings about it?
     
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    Why let them leave -- two days after 9/11 there were too many questions (there are still too many questions today). Think of all the people we detained yet we rush his family out of the country. Strange indeed.
     
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    [​IMG]

    That's funny coming from a Looney toon. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Sane

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    The Bin Ladens aren't terrorist. As adeel put it, they just have a r****ded son.

    The reason the Bin Ladens were allowed to fly out is because they are some of the richest people in the world, and money talks.
     
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    This story interests me little.....but one question no one has addressed on TV, Radio or here is this.......what prompted the Saudis (Bin Laden's family or not) to leave en masse? Even the students? Why the haste? What's the need with getting clearance with the FBI?

    One thing I know is that Prince Banda's relationship with the powers that be fascilitated the exit.

    I will appreciate if someone can help me out with this.
     
  16. Sishir Chang

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    Wasn't it Richard Clarke who authorized those flights?
     

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