Who is more valuable to this team: Artest or T-Mac?

I don't know. Who do you think?

 

hard to choose ,but i think i like ron's style

 

Ron's toughness,aggressiveness on the floor get my vote,but I intend to vote 'Both of 'em'.

We couldn't move forward to anywhere without both of 'em. It's been said that Ron's the missing piece to this Rockets team,so I guess they're of equivalence of value to this team.

 

We saw last year McGrady carried us in the playoffs without Yao and Artest. I doubt Artest would be able to do that because McGrady is a very good all around player. McGrady makes everyone better as well. I believe Yao is averaging 28 ppg since tmac came back.

 

TMac and Ron are not at the same level, period. Ron plays all out day in and day out to get his numbers, there is no room for him to impact the game more. On the other hand, Tmac get similar numbers quite easily. If he is motivated, he beats team all by himself. If TMac has a great game, usually the team win.

Ron's impact on teammates is much limited, though he plays both ends.

According to you, Ron starts and TMac off the bench. Crazy.

 

mcgrady by a mile (when both are healthy).

 

Anybody who didn't vote for McGrady is kidding themselves. Tmac carried this team to the playoffs last season in a sick western conference. Ron's awesome, but he's much more supplemental than Tracy. Cue in the first round accusations, but last I checked Ron hasn't got out since the year he was on a very talented Indiana roster. McGrady has never had a 'very' talented team. Yes he's partially to blame, but nonetheless, he's leaps and bounds better than Ron. They aren't even in the same conversation.

 

no biasness, ron is a LUXURY, not a necessity. we've made the playoffs and had great reg. season without ron before so it's not like we really need him.

if yao was healthy last yr, the ron trade might never have happened.

without tracy, the record speaks for itself.

but obviously we need ron to do well off the bench. he needs to be that consistent 3rd guy when teams double tracy and yao. he got A TON of open shots last night due to yao and tracy.

 

The problem is, if you take T-Mac off this team, in the long run we'll probably suck. *Maybe* (doubt it, though) we'll squeak into the playoffs, but it'll be as an 8th or 7th seed and we'll get run over, probably swept, in the playoffs.

If you take Artest off this team, we'd probably get to 5th seed and take it to 7 games (just looking at playoff history here, we've proven we can).

Now if you keep Artest, well that has yet to be seen.

 

defense was great before artest got here. and we've done well before artest got here. so it's not like if we take artest out right now, we can't get a top 4 seed.

if you take tracy out right now, the best we can do is probably an 8th seed.

artest's offensive game is very different.
1) his playmaking is non-existent. he should be a finisher rather than initiates plays. we've seen how badly he plays when he tries to be a playmaker
2) he cannot consistently create his own shot

as you saw, tracy can make the game easier for ron (yesterday all ron had to do is get ready to shoot/score. he had his best shooting game this season %-wise, which coincides with tracy's season-high in assists).

the most important thing you overlook is tracy makes the game easier for EVERYBODY (as carmelo said last night-> he makes others more confident). you can't say the same for artest.

if we get a mike miller, i think we'd be even better. the point is these guys are "luxuries." they are that "extra piece," not the cornerstone.

 

you're calling a guy that makes the game easier for everybody an "asset."

 

That's a small sample size against weak opponents (except the Spurs). I'm just saying i'd much rather have McGrady-only and co. than Artest-only and co.

Again, i'm just glad we have them both.

 

let's make a call to morey.

 

The team was just fine the past few YEARS without Artest.

So basically McGrady is like Rafer Alston to the team, a useful asset who just kinda goes in and makes the pieces fit, keeps the ship steady, comes up big when he's needed. Kinda like just a tad more than what Brent Barry lends.