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Who Do You Like For Governor?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by serious black, Jan 10, 2006.

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Who Do You Like For Governor (As of today)

  1. Chris Bell (D)

    10.2%
  2. Kinky Friedman (I)

    57.6%
  3. Bob Gammage (D)

    8.5%
  4. Rick Perry (R)

    18.6%
  5. Carole Strayhorn (I)

    5.1%
  1. serious black

    serious black Member

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    Who Do You Like For Governor?

    Chris Bell (D)
    Kinky Friedman (I)
    Bob Gammage (D)
    Rick Perry (R)
    Carole Strayhorn (I)

    Beware! This is a public poll. No secret ballot here. If you want to vote be prepared to be asked why.
    The poll asks who you like as of today, not necessarily who you will like come election day.
     
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  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Kinky Friedman is the only candidate of the 5 running that is qualified to be Governor. :D
     
  3. oomp

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    Kinky - I never vote for any republican. Bell strikes me as a career loser and whiner. Don't want one tough Grandma for Gov, and don't know much about Gammage.
     
  4. RocketMan Tex

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    :confused:

    Please explain!
     
  5. serious black

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    Oomp, Kinky is a Republican. Yes, he is a social libertarian Republican, but a Republican all the same.
    I supported him before Strayhorn got in the race, because I thought he had a chance, Bell didn't, and I didn't know Gammage. Now Strayhorn is in which cancels out Kinky in my opinion and Gammage appears to rock.

    For your reading pleasure...
    http://www.burntorangereport.com/mt/archives/2006/01/gammage_complet.html#more

    January 10, 2006
    Gammage Completes First Leg Of 'Set The Record Straight Tour'
    By Vince Leibowitz

    Democratic candidate for governor Bob Gammage completed the first leg of his 'Set the Record Straight Tour' Monday following stops in Sugar Land, Beaumont, Lufkin and Longview before tackling Tyler, Texarkana, Dallas and Fort Worth on Tuesday.

    In Sugar Land, the former Texas Supreme Court Justice lambasted Texas Governor Rick Perry and President Bush but reportedly said little about his Democratic Primary opponents Chris Bell and Felix Alvarado, at least according to the Austin American Statesman:

    The former Texas Supreme Court justice stopped in an airport terminal with Ben Grant, a former lawmaker and judge who is running for lieutenant governor, in embattled Republican U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay's hometown. Gammage used to represent the area in Congress.

    "There's a corrupt out-of-control political machine that stretches all the way from Washington, D.C., to Austin," Gammage said. "Tom DeLay is at one end, and Rick Perry is at the other."

    With Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn leaving the Republican primary to run as an independent and Perry almost assured of the GOP nomination, the Democratic primary has become the first major battle in the 2006 governor's race.

    Gammage and former U.S. Rep. Chris Bell both are trying to paint themselves as reformers at a time when Republicans face questions and investigations about their conduct in office.

    The Statesman noted that Gammage, who along with Grant and comptroller candidate Fred Head were part of the 'Dirty 30' in 1971, "sought to link Perry to DeLay, who has been indicted in Texas on campaign-finance charges and is under pressure because of his ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

    And, my personal favorite:

    Gammage also criticized Perry for taking a 2004 trip to the Bahamas with, among others, anti-tax guru Grover Norquist and major Republican contributor James Leininger before a special legislative session on school finance.

    I can't remember the last time a statewide Democratic candidate actually went after James Leininger on the stump [someone please correct me if I'm wrong...].

    The Beaumont Enterprise offered a short story on Gammage's stop there, noting in its lead that Gammage promised to "end the influence of special interests in the state's government."

    In Beaumont, Gammage offered a couple of soundbites which, in my opinion, are pretty strong and to the point, except I'm afraid half of the electorate isn't observant to catch what he means by 'policy created on yachts,' though I think it's brilliant:

    "The truth is, Rick Perry is failing Texas. That's why I'm running for governor," said Gammage during a stop at Southeast Texas Regional Airport. "I'm running against policy created on yachts. I'm running for the people of Texas."


    The Enterprise also quoted Lt. Governor candidate Ben Z. Grant:

    "I've been involved in a lot of uphill battles, so miracles do happen," Grant said. "I'm not saying it will take a miracle, but it will take a lot of hard work. I'm running to win."

    The Lufkin Daily News had more on Gammage's positions and goals in an article concerning his stop in that city.

    The News notes Gammage wants to:

    •Raise the minimum wage from $5.15 an to $6.50 an hour.

    •Pass a constitutional amendment guaranteeing every Texan the right to clean air and clean water.

    •Reform the state's tax code.

    •Pass ethics reform and corporate responsibility acts; and

    •Work with Congress on providing affordable health care.

    And, Gammage took another well-deserved shot at Religious Right Kingpin James Leininger:

    Gammage, 67, pointed to a color photo of a 54-foot yacht that he said was similar to the one that Perry and some of his biggest backers, Jim Leininger, a longtime proponent of school vouchers, and Grover Norquist, one of the biggest beer distributors in the state, took on a "secret" junket to the Bahamas. During that trip Perry and his friends came up with a public school finance plan that was "laughed off" the floor of the Texas Legislature, Gammage said.

    Gammage said he would work on public policy in Austin, not on a yacht in the Bahamas.

    "We're going to christen this yacht the S.S. Perry," Gammage said to applause from the small group of supporters that gathered at the airport to hear him speak. "And ... we're going to sink the Perry in November..."What bugs me is that yacht is flying the Stars and Stripes — that's my flag. It should be flying the Jolly Roger."

    Lt. Governor candidate Ben Z. Grant spoke at the rally as well:

    Grant, a former state representative, said even though his opponent, David Dewhurst, has enough money to "burn a wet mule," he is running to win. He said in talking to the people of Texas, he has found that they are growing more and more disenchanted with state government.

    "We can have a bright tomorrow, but first, we need new leadership in Austin," he said.

    At Gammage's stop in Longview (Gregg County), he continued along a similar theme:

    "We have to eliminate incompetence and corruption that governs our state today," he told a small crowd at KRS Express. Aviation, just south of the East Texas Regional Airport, emphasizing that must be addressed first.

    Then he spoke about school finance reform and said "it's going to have to be a bipartisan effort where we sit down and put all the financial resources of Texas on the table with no sacred cows ... and we don't say we are not going to consider this."

    "We come up with a formula that spreads that burden as broadly and thinly and painlessly as possible to produce the maximum revenue for an excellent system of free public schools, said Gammage, also a former state senator, U.S. representative and justice of the Texas Court of Appeals, who plans to face Gov. Rick Perry. "We distribute that revenue as fairly, equitably and uniformly as possible to every school child and every school district in Texas."

    He said lawmakers must strive to make a commitment to providing excellent educational opportunities for all children. The growth of economic development in the state is dependent upon how good the education system is, he said.

    Grant also appeared with Gammage at his last stop of the day, and was surprisingly frank:

    Grant, who plans to face Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, said he wasn't optimistic in the beginning but that's changing.

    "People need a choice," he said, adding that as he campaigns and talks to supporters he's becoming more optimistic about the race.

    Grant said he is opposed to people having to pay for toll roads and legislation that allows universities to decide how often to increase tuition.

    "It's going to get to the point where the poor people are not going to be able to go to college," said Grant, also a former judge of the 71st judicial district court for Harrison County.

    In regards to public school finance reform, Grant said level financing should be provided to each student on the basis of the wealth of the state.

    He said environmental issues also are important to him, particularly a focus on clean air and water.

    On Tuesday, Gammage will visit Tyler and make several other stops as well. In Tyler, he'll be joined by comptroller candidate Fred Head (D-Athens).

    Interestingly, each of the daily newspapers covering the Gammage/Grant tour noted—fairly high up in their stories, in fact—that both Gammage and Grant were members of the 'Dirty Thirty,' which seems to have become the media's way of identifying the Gammage/Grant/Head trio. This is likely because of the importance of the Dirty Thirty in Texas political history but also because it's probably easier for the media to mention that as an ID factor first rather than to list the various offices Gammage and Grant have held.

    You can check out other Texas Democrats running for governor via their websites: Chris Bell, Felix Alvarado, Rashad Jafer.

    Lt. Governor: Adrian De Leon [no website I am aware of], Maria Luisa Alvarado.
     
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  6. oomp

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    Sorry.

    Kinky. {begin new thought} I never vote for any republican.
     
  7. serious black

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    And from Sunday's Chronicle...



    HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: Front page


    Jan. 8, 2006, 3:07PM

    Governor's race is shaping up as much more than Democrat vs. Republican
    By R.G. RATCLIFFE
    Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau

    THE Texas governor's race has turned into a potentially wild, winner-take-all battle from which the victor is likely to emerge with less than half the vote.
    ADVERTISEMENT

    Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn dramatically changed the dynamics of the contest last week when she dropped her Republican primary challenge to Gov. Rick Perry to run as an independent.

    She joined satirist Kinky Friedman in the quest for the independents, the disgusted and the disinterested voters of Texas. To get on the ballot, both will have to gather valid signatures from 45,450 registered voters during a 60-day window this spring, a feat most political experts expect them to achieve.

    If they make it, the November general election will consist of Perry, Strayhorn, Friedman, the Democratic nominee and a Libertarian nominee.

    "If you're a political junkie, you're in heaven right now," said Dean Barkley, the campaign manager for Friedman. "Everyone will be watching this race. I guarantee you this will be the race in the country to watch."

    Normally, about 36 percent of the state's registered voters turn out in a governor's contest. But this one could push turnout to the levels of 1990, when half the state's voters cast ballots in an election that put Democrat Ann Richards in the Governor's Mansion in an upset over Republican Clayton Williams.

    All told, 15 candidates filed for governor this year with one of the parties or as an independent.

    Of that group, political experts think there will be four viable candidates: Perry, Strayhorn, Friedman and the Democratic nominee — a designation currently sought by two front-running candidates, former U.S. Rep. Chris Bell and former Texas Supreme Court Justice Bob Gammage.

    That the winner is likely to have less than half the vote will not be unusual. Richards in 1990 and Democrat Dolph Briscoe in 1972 won the governor's race with less than a majority. Strayhorn won the comptroller's office in 1998 with 49.5 percent of the vote.

    What would be unusual would be for an independent or third-party candidate to win.

    Former President Theodore Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party ran the strongest national third-party campaign in U.S. history in 1912, taking 27 percent of the national vote in his losing bid.

    Independent presidential candidate Ross Perot contributed to the 1992 defeat of President George H.W. Bush by taking 19 percent of the vote.

    Perot was the strongest independent candidate in modern Texas history, taking 22 percent of the state vote. But Bush still carried Texas by winning 40.5 percent of the popular vote. Democrat Bill Clinton received 37 percent.

    Jesse "The Body" Ventura, a former professional wrestler and actor, surprised the nation by winning the Minnesota governor's race in 1998. But the last independent to win the Texas governor's office was Sam Houston in 1859.

    To handicap the race, the Houston Chronicle asked for input from the campaigns as well as several knowledgeable political observers.

    Mike Baselice: Pollster for Perry
    Baselice said he thinks Strayhorn's decision to run as an independent increases Perry's chances of re-election.

    "I don't know how this works. It's a Republican-leaning state," Baselice said. "There's only so many disenchanted party loyalists who are willing to take a stab at an independent candidacy."

    Baselice said Texas has a base Republican vote of 50 percent and a base Democratic vote of 35 percent. He said if each party loses 5 percent of its vote and it is added to the independent, the swing vote just reaches 25 percent.

    " If you gave it all to Strayhorn and none to Kinky, she's still woefully short," Baselice said.

    He predicted Friedman's campaign will be meaningless by Election Day because he will not have the money to mount a statewide television-advertising campaign.

    "It cost $1.6 million to run a week of TV properly in Texas," Baselice said.

    Tom Pauken: Former Texas GOP chairman
    Pauken said there is enough dissatisfaction with Republican voters about Perry's administration and inability to pass a public school finance plan than either Strayhorn or the Democratic nominee can defeat Perry in a multicandidate race.

    "It's not a given that Perry will be re-elected," Pauken said. "He's alienated a lot of Republicans."

    Pauken said gathering the signatures to get on the ballot may be a problem for Strayhorn.

    "She doesn't have a strong organization, and Friedman has been preparing for the past year for what you have to do to run as an independent," Pauken said.

    "Assuming she gets on the ballot, she can be a tough candidate in the fall. She hurts Perry, and she hurts him quite badly."

    Pauken said Strayhorn's candidacy will be a big boost for the Democratic nominee because it increases the impact of the Democratic base vote in a divided turnout.

    But he said Strayhorn has a shot at winning because voters have become disenchanted with both Republicans and Democrats.

    "They're angrier at the Republicans at the moment than the Democrats, but there's a little bit of pox on both your houses," Pauken said.

    He said Strayhorn's independent candidacy will take the wind out of Friedman's sails.

    " I see him more as a protest vote or a joke. Now, with Strayhorn in the race, his hopes will fade dramatically," Pauken said.

    Brad McClellan: Stayhorn's son and campaign manager
    McClellan said Strayhorn knows it will be tough to win as an independent.

    "It has been 147 years since this has been done, and Sam Houston probably needed fewer votes to win than we need signatures (to get on the ballot)," McClellan said.

    Houston won his 1859 race with 33,375 votes, according to Richard Rice, historical interpreter at the Sam Houston Memorial Museum in Huntsville. That's 12,075 fewer voter signatures than Strayhorn and Friedman each need to get on the ballot.

    McClellan said no one should discount the fact Strayhorn will be the only woman in a field of male candidates running for governor.

    "It's just another perspective. It's that tough grandma. There are more females that vote in the general election than, say, in the Republican primary," he said.

    McClellan said his mother will take a large portion of the Democratic and independent vote as well as the Republican base because voters are "fed up" with both parties, particularly on issues such as educating children.

    "We're the one that's going to win this race because we cut into that conservative base. And there's a big base out there. There are people out there who say they're tired of the labels, and they want to see stuff get done," he said.

    Jason Stanford: Bell's chief consultant
    Stanford said the complexity of building a voting bloc from Republicans, Democrats and independents will make it difficult for Strayhorn to win.

    "There are too many cross- purposes. Before, it was simple: She needed to create a general election in a primary," Stanford said. "Chris Bell's challenge is to get Democrats to vote for the Democratic nominee."

    Stanford said Democratic nominee Tony Sanchez got 40 percent of the vote against Perry in 2002. He said that vote will be enough for the Democratic nominee to win in a multicandidate race against Perry.

    "Everyone in this race is making a persuasive case to fire Rick Perry," he said.

    Stanford said the cost of a Democratic campaign will be less because it can target Democratic voters. He said the multicandidate race also will make it difficult for Perry to attack any one opponent with negative television commercials.

    "If he puts up $5 million on TV against Chris Bell, none of those votes are going to go to him. They're going to go to Carole Strayhorn or Kinky Friedman. His return on that dollar is marginal at best," Stanford said.

    The other candidates can go after Perry, though.

    "This isn't a circular firing squad. We're all pointed at Rick Perry, and he's got to spend the entire time on defense."

    Dean Rindy: Gammage adviser
    Rindy said he thinks the Democratic nominee will benefit from Perry and Strayhorn viciously attacking each other in the first half of the year as Perry tries to "crush" Strayhorn's ability to build momentum.

    "While the two dinosaurs thrash about in the jungle, we can remain relatively unscathed for the midpart of the campaign year," Rindy said in a memo to Gammage supporters. "We will hammer home our message to hold our base, while looking far cleaner than our two Republican rivals."

    Rindy said Strayhorn's independent campaign will finish off Friedman.

    "She simply sucks the air out of Kinky's message, hogs the media spotlight, steps on his story line and makes it very difficult for him to attract significant numbers of Perot-type conservatives," he said.

    Rindy said the Texas governor's race is developing into a contest like the 1992 presidential contest when Bush barely carried Texas despite Perot's insurgent campaign.

    "Bush Sr. barely scraped by in that election, and Rick Perry is not George Bush," Rindy said. "Her image as an independent is much weaker than Perot's, and it will be extremely easy to discredit her with Democratic voters."

    Dean Barkley: Friedman's campaign manager
    Barkley ran Ventura's surprise independent victory in Minnesota. He said Friedman can replicate it in Texas.

    "It's real simple. What an independent candidate has to do to win is they have to motivate the traditional nonvoting public, or disgruntled voters who have stopped voting, to return to the polls to vote," Barkley said.

    "If Carole could pull off the illusion that she is really an independent, it could make it more difficult for us. The jury is out on whether Carole has the qualities to motivate nonvoting people to vote. I know Kinky can."

    Barkley said he thinks that in a three-way race the winner will need 40 percent of the vote. In a four-way race, he said the victor could take it with as little as 30 percent.

    "There's a lot of dissatisfaction with Perry among conservatives," Barkley said. "Now that will be a battle between Carole and Kinky as to which one they are going to go for."

    He said Friedman also will be able to appeal to Democrats on environmental issues and social libertarian stands such as supporting gay marriage.

    Barkley said Texas voters also will see a difference in the contest in March and April during the 60 days when Strayhorn and Friedman are gathering signatures to get on the ballot. Both will need to collect about twice as many signatures as they need to guarantee they have enough valid signatures.

    Valid signatures come from registered voters who cast no ballots in either party's primary or runoffs. They also cannot sign both the Strayhorn and Friedman petition.

    "A lot of people are going to be bugged to put their signature on a petition. Make sure it's the Kinky petition you sign, not the Strayhorn," Barkley said.

    r.g.ratcliffe@chron.com

    HoustonChronicle.com -- http://www.HoustonChronicle.com | Section: Front page
    This article is: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3571531.html
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    Strayhorn is as much an independent as I am a Christian.

    Nuff said!

    :D
     
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    I went from California to Texas in part to attend a fund raiser for Kinky. I would love to be able vote for him in the election. I wish I could register in Texas again.
     
  10. No Worries

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    Didn't Strayhorn switch from the Democratic party to the Republican party when the tide turned in Texas?
     
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    Yup she did. Strayhorn is about as trustworthy as a snake oil salesman.
     
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    Oxymoron: Trustworthy Politician.

    Strayhorn appears to be a yellow dog Democrat.
     
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    Nope.

    A "Yellow Dog Democrat" is a Democrat who would first vote for a Yellow Dog than vote for a Republican.

    Strayhorn hardly qualifies as a Yellow Dog Democrat. The terms that most aptly describe her, IMHO, are "incompetent", "grandstanding", and "media w****".
     
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    Politicians can be "incompetent", "grandstanding", and "media whores"? Wow! I did not see that coming.
     
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    so. who actually has a chance in hell of beating perry? i'll even vote for a republican. i just want perry out. i dont think bell has a chance.
     
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    right now i say kinky. im just not sure that he is willing to take his candidacy seriously and therefore the people arent either. the sad thing is that he has some interesting ideas and as far as general policy, i like where he is at.

    i think he is just in it to have fun, not seriously contend. i hope im wrong though.

    ill probably end up voting for him unless its a close race b/t strayhorn/perry and than ill have to vote carol keaton mcclellan strayhorn rylander.

    but you never know - the kinkster may actually make some noise!
     
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    Not all of them are, but one hell of alot of them are, and Strayhorn has proven herself quite worthy of the adjectives.

    No Worries....I see that you voted for her in the poll. Why do you support her?
     
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    I dunno...I think Gammage has the will and tenacity to see it though. I like Chris Bell as he has staying power in Texas and I think will take an eventual stab at U.S. Senator. However, he might have the loser stigmata. He's well known in Houston and lost his district after soon-to-be-in-prison-smocks-ass"Hammer"-Delay pushed through redistricting.

    Gammage is tough as nails, a Dirty Thirty member, and not the LEAST bit afraid to go on the offensive and call out the pitiful Republican leadership of this great state.
     
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    Mainly I do not support the others.

    The Haircut dreams of one day being as smart as his haircut.

    Bob Gammage is a liberal's liberal.

    Chris Bell has the loser label.

    That leaves Kinky, who I do not think is running a serious campaign.

    Strayhorn at least at times speaks out about balancing the budget. Not much to hang your hat on, but enough to put her a nose ahead of the field. I don't see her actually making it to the fall election, so this is all much ado about nothing.
     
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    At times she does speak about balancing the budget, but her actions speak far louder than her words.

    If you remember, during George W.'s 2000 campaign for President, it was Strayhorn who was George W.'s main attack dog for criticism on his tax cuts while he was Governor. At the time, she stated that anyone who says his tax cuts would result in a shortfall in the state budget was a liar.

    Fast forward to 2002. After she was re-elected, she announced a $5 billion deficit in the state budget. The deficit doubled by 2004.

    In other words, Strayhorn is a incompetent, lying sack of sh*t....just like LOTS of other politicians. Maybe she can change her last name again to make Texans forget about her incompetance and lies..

    http://www.political.com/analysis-arc/0474.html
     

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