who can make the best offer for wallace?

I think we would have to throw in Mobley, Cato's and MoT's contracts are too bloated for Portland. Im sure they wouldn't mind a quality player in Mobley packaged along with MoT or something.

 

he ll probably goto NY. Just a gut feeling.

 

The question isn't who can make the best offer, the question is who will? Rasheed's got so many question marks surrounding his talent that teams are rightfully wary of him. Portland is hoping/waiting for one team to be stupid. Team's are not willing to do that yet, but eventually one team will get desperate/stupid enough to do so and Portland will pounce.

 

Only if you belive Peter Vescey

 

Why?

McDyess plays PF like Randolph, is a health risk and is not guaranteed to re-sign with POR.

Thomas and Harrington are PF's and the Blazers already have Randolph. Neither can play SmF like Sheed does.

Kurt Thomas and Charlie Ward both have expiring contracts and neither can contribute like Rasheed. They'd just keep him.

IMO, NY can't come up with a package for Rasheed without involving a 3rd team.

 

couldn't have said it better myself.

It's a buyers market for Wallace, and nobody's buying yet.

 

The only deal that makes any sense is some combination of McDyess and Ward. They both have expiring contracts. If Wallace is moved, Portland may do that deal provided that NY throws in a draft pick or two. Otherwise, what's the difference to Portland whether they have Wallace's contract expire or McDyess' contract expire. Portland has to get some kind of benefit for then to trade Wallace, a benefit that is more than $17 mil coming off the cap.

I don't see it happening. I don't see Zeke giving up a #1 or a couple #1's for exchanging McDyess and Ward for Wallace.

Right now, everybody is waiting on Wallace. He has to express an interest in being traded and going elsewhere, and then he has to specify where it is he wants to go. Then a deal MAY be possible.

No GM in their right mind is gonna give up talent and picks for Wallace without knowing that he wants to play for them and wants to resign with them.

 

Nuggets could probably make the best offer to Wallace given all their capspace.

 

This is what I was proposing (never would happen):

Steve and Mo to NY;

McDyess and Ward and 2004 1st rounder to Portland;

Sheed and McInnis to Houston.

I'd do that deal. Francis would take NY, no problem. Isiah would take Francis (although we might have to change Mo to Cato, and use Rasheed in a Cato-type role, that sort of thing).

Portland would get huge and immediate cap relief. Maybe send Boki to Portland and take a flyer on Q-Bong, er, Q-Woods.

 

And here's where we'd step in.

Houston sends Mobley/Cato to Portland.

NY sends Kurt Thomas/Ward to Houston.
NY sends McDyess to Portland.

Portland sends Rasheed/Derek Anderson to NY.

NY's been rumored to be shopping KT/Ward around & McDyess will probably never be the player he once was. Rasheed would give them a marquee player at PF, & paired with Mutombo/Van Horn, would give NY one of the strongest front lines in the Eastern Conference. Add in Houston & their promising young PG Williams, & they've got a pretty good nucleus of players, with Sweetney/Lampe waiting in the wings. In this deal NY would have to take on Anderson's bad contract as well.

Portland gets a defensive minded center in Cato, a sharp shooting SG in Mobley, while still retaining ~$11.5 million of Rasheed's $16.985 million in cap relief (if they were to just keep him). Since they have Randolph, I doubt that they'd resign McDyess, unless he completely recovers & shows some of his old skills. Even then, it'd probably be for a sign & trade deal. All 3 players are good to high quality character guys. Cato also provides Portland with their own Shaq stopper (or, at least a Shaq slower-downer ). Both Cato & Mobley's contracts only have 2 years left, compared to Anderson's 3 years remaining on his contract. Woods appears ready to step into the SF position & a combination of Woods/Mobley/Person/Patterson would give Portland a pretty good 2/3 rotation.

Houston would get a solid PF that can score/rebound & a legitimate PG in Ward, which would allow us to move Francis to SG. I would like to get a #1 pick as well, but the question is from whom? Since Portland is in the driver's seat in this deal, I doubt that it would be them giving it up. That leaves NY. Do they want Rasheed bad enough to throw in a conditional #1 pick? Or, is the cap relief from Ward's expiring contract enough compensation for the Rocket's (Ref: Rice to Utah trade ) front office? Our new lineup would be:

C: Yao/FA/Taylor
PF: Thomas/Taylor/Weatherspoon/Ford(IL)
SF: JJ/Padgett/Nachbar/A.Griffin(IL)
SG: Francis/Piatkowski/A.Griffin(IL)
PG: Ward/Francis/Wilks

 

Hottodie, I don't think whatever cap relief we would get would allow us to get an upgrade over Mobley/Cato. Ward/Thomas is NOT an upgrade over Mobley/Cato for sure.

TRADE REJECTED

 

Now, the same trade with Taylor/Cato instead of Mobley/Cato would get an enthusiastic

TRADE ACCEPTED

from me

 

New York can simply offer Ward, Thomas and McDyess for Rasheed Wallace and Derek Anderson. I bet NY would even throw in Sweetney or Lampe or something for this deal.

Basically, they offer the Blazers even more cap space. Thomas, Ward and McDuess will be worth about 23M in capspace for the Blazers next summer, meaning they can be major players, and would have no more bad contracts other than Patterson.

 

You're right, but with us involved in a 3 way trade, Portland gets 2 starters in Cato & Mobley, while retaining 2/3's of Rasheed's expiring contract. I guess it all comes down to what direction Portland wants to go. As jopatmc stated in his (or her) post, I can't see NY giving up a couple of draft picks in the deal, & Portland would most assuredly want more than Thomas & 2 expiring contracts. Also, Thomas would be of no use to them, since they have Randolph.

 

I share your view, but don't think Portland shares our view.

If they can get rid of Wallace and Derek Anderson for that much in expired contracts, they won't care about this season.

With Wallace's 15M, I believe GATER estimated 6-8M cap space for Portland. From this should I assume that Portland would have around 15M in capsapce after this deal?

So it boils down to this: If Mobley and Cato were FA's, would Portland sign them to their deals? I think anyone would sign Mobley to his deal, while the same can't be said about Cato.

I think they'd rather have the capspace and pursure their own FA's than reduce their capspace by 3M (Wallace contract minus McDyess contract) and roll with Cato and Mobley. i think they want to get younger than that, and I definitely think they would not like to have Cato, especially since Dale Davis is essentially the same player with the same contract.

 

Still, why would we essentially trade Mobley and Cato for Ward and Thomas? If you say "cap space", then show me which two players we could sign that would help us more than Mobley and Cato, for the same money...IF we could find those players, then it would make sense.

 

Even if such a deal happened, would it put us enough under the cap to pursue some real FA's? If so, how much money are we looking at?

 

Hottoddie- I totally don't understand how you could think Thomas & Ward is even close to equal to Mobes and Cato. And if it's about capspace, what the heck is the point of getting capspace if you're dumping your best player in terms of performance per dollar? You're not going to find another guard that gives us what he does at his contract level- this has already been covered in other threads. Mobley has effectively removed himself from trade talks with his excellent play. I think that he'll only be part of a package for a star player.

 

'Spoon + AGriff + Nachbar + trade exception = Wallace