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White vs. Sanchez

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Nov 5, 2003.

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Who do you plan to vote for in the run-off?

  1. White

    30 vote(s)
    78.9%
  2. Sanchez

    8 vote(s)
    21.1%
  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

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    Who and why?
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    Predictions are welcome too. White will pick up virtually all of Turner's votes. I'll be kind to the opposition and predict 60 - 40. Sure are a lot of Jesse Jackson lovers in Houston.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    Bill White.

    Bill White has been a successful businessman and manager.

    Orlando Sanchez hasn't been a success at anything in his career. Couple that with his miserable record as a City Councilman, and the choice is a no-brainer.
     
  4. Franchise2001

    Franchise2001 Contributing Member

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    White

    Orlando Sanchez wears more makeup than a transvestite hooker on Montrose(not that I would know).
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    I'm proud to be a puppet.

    Sure wish I could vote for White, thankfully he won't need my support.

    Anyone who thinks the woefully incompetent Sanchez is better for the City of Houston is a partisan hack, plain and simple.
     
  6. MadMax

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    White...mostly because of the aforementioned Mr. Jackson and my puppet-nature.

    But also because being the mayor of this city is mostly about being an administrator. I think business experience is good, in that regard...as opposed to the lifelong politician we had in Brown...and how I view Sanchez, as well. Bill White was the only candidate with that kind of experience.
     
  7. Batman Jones

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    You got that right. Considering the vast majority of the remaining uncommitted voters are black Democrats, I don't think Jorge's Jesse line (or the more common GOP lines about how White worked to get Clinton elected) is going to help Sanchez too much. Like Mosbacher before him, this'll be the end of Sanchez's annoying, smarmy career. How sweet it is...
     
  8. MadMax

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    I don't know Mosbacher personally, but my understanding is he's basically spent his time since devoted to serving charties...I can't remember which one, specifically, but I think he founded a group with a very admirable, service-oriented mission, and gives of himself and his resources quite generously. I hope Orlando proves me wrong...but I just don't see him going that way.
     
  9. ima_drummer2k

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    Mattress Mac... :(

    I voted for Turner mostly because my conscience wouldn't let me support White or Sanchez. White had my vote until his comments about illegal...er, "undocumented workers".

    Not sure who I'll vote for this time. After last night, maybe I'll write in Jeff Van Gundy. :D

    BTW, you guys sure do talk about T_J a lot even when he doesn't post.
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    I didn't know that about Mosbacher, Max. Good to hear it. I compared them because they both ran strictly on partisan appeal (though Sanchez has done it far more blatantly, since White's party affiliation is the only thing he's been criticized for) and very soon they will have both lost twice. Anyway, I'm glad Mosbacher's out of politics and committed to good works.

    One difference between Mosbacher and Sanchez though is that Mosbacher has money. He actually has something to contribute to charities. Sanchez's only assets are his Latino surname and his GOP affiliation. When his political career proves to be one more in a series of failures, he's not going to have much to offer charities.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Did I miss these comments? Please share.
     
  12. Perrin

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    I found this to be interesting..Sanchez doesn't even get 60% of the Republican vote


    "Exit polling showed that 27 percent of self-identified Republican voters said they supported White. Fifty-eight percent of Republicans voted for Sanchez, a Republican, and 8 percent for Turner, a Democrat. "

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2201335


    when the former Texas Democratic Party Chairman can get 27% of the Republican vote, you know the Republican candidate is lacking.
     
  13. Batman Jones

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    We're not talking about him nearly so much as his hilariously dumb signature. After reading that for months and after White collected nearly 30 percent of the Republican vote, it really is hard not to gloat.
     
  14. Batman Jones

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    Seriously, ima, if you've got anything for these guys to use, you gotta give it to them. This White's a Democrat stuff is going to be even less effective in a runoff. And if they continue to use that old, worthless line, alienating the black Democrat voters who are up for grabs, why not throw in some incendiary rhetoric about illegal aliens so White can pick off some more Latinos as well? Good times, good times.
     
  15. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    For someone who is allegedly basking in the glow of last night's victory, you sure seem to be belligerent today, Jason. Tough night at Rudz?
     
  16. ima_drummer2k

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    He just said he would support giving illegal aliens DL's in one of the debates.
     
  17. ima_drummer2k

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    Uh oh...I feel a serious battle brewing between BJ and T_J. The calm before the storm.

    Off to the GARM for me.
     
  18. Jeff

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    I was going to do my own prediction rather than preference, but the Chron pretty much summed it up in their analysis. Here's a summary...

    That is what politicians call a "rainbow coalition," support from every corner of the city and every ethnic group. Chris Bell and George Grenias couldn't do in their campaigns what White did in his.

    This is tremendously significant. It is almost ALWAYS a 90 percent for the African American candidate whenever he/she runs. In pretty much every other race in this election, that was the case, but not for turner.

    Coleman and Thompson have very strong support in the African American community and their endorsements really helped.

    This is a big deal for Sanchez. In 2001, Latinos voted almost exclusively for him when Latino Democrats assumed he wouldn't go over well with the predominantly democratic Mexican American population. This year, they hit the Hispanic communities hard campaigning for Sanchez and that seemed to hurt Sancez as much as it helped White.

    This is clearly the biggest deal of the election. The fact that he did so poorly among Republicans despite some seriously high-profile support (i.e. the President) is maybe more significant than any other number in the election.

    Astute campaigning from White and the fact that Sanchez really struggles when it comes to experience and his record, which are both serious problems for him, gave White a huge edge here. Clearly, voters don't consider Sanchez a very qualified candidate and his votes were mostly based on his political ideology.

    My original predication still stands. I think it will be very difficult to beat White in a runoff, especially when you figure it would be VERY surprising if he lost any of Turner's 29 percent. In a runoff where turnout will be lower, chances are that not all of Turner's supporters will go to the polls in strong numbers, but my bet is that enough will for White to win.
     
  19. MadMax

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    i missed that...

    but it's a non-starter with me. i'm sure he is absolutely juxtaposed from me on his position on abortion...but fortunately, he has zero effect on US policy on the issue from the mayor's seat.

    as mayor..he would have zero authority to authorize the issuance of DL's to illegal aliens...so while it might be an interesting sidenote, i'm much more concerned with plans for mobility and how he'll perform in what is essentially an administrator's job.
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    It never fails. When you have no argument you call me by my real name and let everyone know you know which bar I drink at. Ouch! You got me! Is that supposed to score a point somehow? You do know I'm not really Batman, right? I don't have a secret identity. My name is Jason, yes. Ooh boy, I've been exposed!

    But no, I wasn't at Rudz. I had a lovely night in New York City, watching the Rockets victory at a pub on 3rd Ave, talking bout Yao with Nets fans. And I missed Houston a little. On a night when the Rockets whip the Nets, White whips Sanchez and rail wins, it seems like such a lovely town. Don't you agree?

    You still confident of a Sanchez victory, by the way, Jorge? I seem to recall something about White's campaign being on "life support" (LOL). Still feel that way?
     

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