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White House still avoiding calling health-care mandate a tax

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  1. Hightop

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    Why all the lies? :confused:

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    White House still avoiding calling health-care mandate a tax

    By Melanie Mason / Tribune Washington Bureau (MCT)
    Monday, July 2, 2012 - Added 2 hours ago

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    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s health-care law owes its survival to the Supreme Court’s finding that the act’s individual mandate is a tax, and therefore constitutional.

    But while the White House cheered the ruling, the administration is assiduously avoiding the word “tax.”

    White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew, appearing Sunday on ABC’s”This Week,” sought to characterize the mandate as a penalty, not a tax.

    “For Americans who buy health insurance or who can’t afford it and get it through a government program, there is no penalty,” Lew said. “It covers 99 percent of the American people. In Massachusetts where they had a plan like this under Governor. Romney, 1 percent did not take insurance, and they paid the penalty.”

    “Let’s be clear about who that 1 percent is,” Lew said. “Those are people who can afford health insurance who choose not to buy it and then, when they get sick, they go to the hospital and the costs gets spread amongst all the people paying for insurance. So the law set it up as a penalty for people who make that choice. The court found it constitutional. Frankly, what you call it is not the issue.”

    Lew would not budge from calling the mandate a penalty, despite Chief Justice John Roberts’ description of the mandate as a tax.

    The chief of staff asserted that the law’s survival was a net political gain for the president, even though the legislation’s unpopularity contributed to widespread Democratic losses in the 2010 midterm elections.

    “If you look at where we are now versus where we were a couple of years ago, the American people are starting to experience the benefits of this law,” Lew said. “The American people do not want to go back to a divisive debate about health care. The Congress passed a law. The Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. The arguments that are being made now to reopen that fight are the wrong arguments.”

    Ultimately, Lew said, the election will not be a referendum on the popularity of health-care reform.

    “I think this election will be about the economy,” Lew said. “The American people are focused on the economy. They’re asking the question, ‘What are we doing to get it going?’”

    Also appearing on the program was Rep. Paul Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin and chairman of the House Budget Committee. Ryan, who often serves as a surrogate for Mitt Romney, said the Supreme Court’s decision now makes a Romney victory in November all the more crucial for opponents of the health-care law.

    “I’m very disappointed but we’re not deterred,” Ryan said. We think we can still repeal this law if we win this election. And that’s basically what the chief justice said; it’s now up to the American people. It’s beyond Congress, the president and even the Supreme Court. The American people will be the judge and jury of this law come November.”

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061142940
     
  2. mc mark

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    Hightop threads make me giggle.
     
  3. Rocketman95

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    Tell your lazy ****ing 'friend' to get a job and quit moochin.
     
  4. mc mark

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    Maybe Obama and Rmoney can reconcile this question during the debates.

    Top Romney Adviser: Individual Mandate A Penalty, Not A Tax

    Eric Fehrnstrom, a senior campaign adviser for Mitt Romney, said Monday that he disagrees with the Supreme Court’s characterization of the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate as a “tax.” Pointing to the opinion of the four dissenting justices who “very clearly stated that the mandate was not a tax,” Fehrnstrom told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that when the mandate was imposed in Massachusetts under the law signed by Romney, it was a penalty and not a tax.
     
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    What difference does it make what it's called? :confused:
     
  7. Hightop

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    "President Barack Obama’s health-care law owes its survival to the Supreme Court’s finding that the act’s individual mandate is a tax, and therefore constitutional."

    If Obama keeps says it's not (like he already argued) - it's a continuous lie to the American people.
     
  8. mc mark

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    But even Romney's people don't consider it a tax. :confused:
     
  9. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Could the owner of the Hightop account to adjust it's personality to be more like Stephen Colbert?

    troll schtick is only good when funny.
     
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    Good - we can see that they are all liars and thieves.

    So do you agree with Obama that it isn't a tax or the Supreme Court? For some strange reason you won't answer this question.
     
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    Nancy Pelosi, high priestess of the Obama Cult, says the Supreme Court and Obama's solicitor general are wrong -- the health care mandate is not a tax -- it's a penalty.

    Epiphany! We don't pay taxes at all -- we pay penalties.

    If you work, you pay a penalty.
    If you shop for goods, you pay a penalty.
    If you eat out, you pay a penalty.
    If you get food stamps, no penalty!
    If you get jobless benefits, no penalty!
    If you get MedicAid, no penalty!

    So, if Americans do anything positive like work or spend or eat, there is a heavy penalty. For doing nothing and playing the grasshopper to all of us ants, there is no penalty. Wow, Obama the eternal spring of life.
     
  12. RocketMan Tex

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    Kind of like trickle-down economics, eh?
     
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    Why? He's not allowed to disagree with the Supreme Court? I'm sure if the court said the mandate was Unconstitutional, he would disagree with them on that too.
     
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    Obama's lawyers argued it was a tax......... That's not disagreeing.
     
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    "Let's see, how can I vote my conscience without upsetting my partisan brigade? I know, tell them I ok'ed it because it's a tax!"
     
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    Roberts wrote that the penalty is constitutional "because it can be reasonably read as a tax."

    Just because the majority opinion of the Supreme Court believed the penalty reasonably falls within Congress' power to tax doesn't mean that it needs to hereafter always be called a tax.
     
  18. Major

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    Obama's lawyers <> Obama. Besides, "Obama's lawyers" are actually career Justice Dept lawyers, and their job is to try to generate legal arguments to justify whatever law they are defending. I'm pretty sure Obama often disagrees with lawyers in the Justice Dept, and I'm pretty sure lawyers often disagree with the arguments they themselves make. For example, a criminal defense lawyer will argue why someone is innocent even when they don't believe they are - that's the nature of being a lawyer.
     
  19. Major

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    Exactly. The home mortgage interest deduction is legal because it can be reasonably read as a tax, but I don't think anyone would call it a tax.
     
  20. Hightop

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    If the penalty reasonably falls within Congress' power to tax - it is a tax.
     

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