Would you rather have had Ray Allen on the Rockets or Shareef Abdur-Rahim? Trade # 1 Lineup with Allen PG - Francis SG - Allen SF - Posey PF - Griffin C - Ming Trade # 2 Lineup with SAR PG - Francis SG - Mobley SF - Posey/Shareef PF - Shareef/Taylor C - Ming Which trade would you have done?
the Bucks wouldn't have taken Mobley for Allen straight up. Meaning we would have to give them more, and quite frankly, I think our team is still learning. Don't mess with a quickly progressing talent in the Rockets unless its one of those back-stabbing situations like Mo-Money-Taylor's contract. But if they would've traded Ray to us for Cat, then sure. Trade #1
Although it is a moot point to discuss now, I'd say Ray Allen's contribution as a consistent perimeter shooting guard would have made the greater impact.
I don't know how legit either trade was, but from what I heard it was: Allen for Mobley/Cato & SAR for Mobley/Cato/Griffin The second one shouldn't have even been considered. The first one I might have done.
I would rather have Allen on the team thereby keeping Griffin than Shareef on the team and losing Griffin. I think Allen/Griffin is > than Mobley/Shareef Allen is a 4 time all star and one of the best shooters in the NBA. He would stretch defenses and keep them honest on double teams with Yao, giving Yao more room to operate. That is key. And by keeping Griffin in this scenario he provides you with a player that has some decent potential and upside to boot. Shareef provides more scoring downlow but hasn't proven he can battle western conference power forwards so that is a huge question mark. While Mobley is a nice player he isn't as effective with Yao as Allen would be because he isn't as consistant as Allen is with the outside shot. Nice to dreamcast about getting Allen. Too bad it did not happen. We'll see what materializes in the offseason! Chris
If you are the Bucks and you have either Mobley/Cato or Payton/Mason as your choice for Allen, who do you take? The Bucks made the right choice without question. As for Reef, if it was Griffin, Mobley and Cato, that is not even close to a realistic trade if you are the Rockets. You give away your starting two, your starting power forward and your best bench player for Rahim? That's WAY too much. Now, if it was Reef and Terry, maybe, but I doubt seriously there was anything close to that. Good for CD for not considering that one.
Yeah but .... 1. Size matters. Cato has become a decent big man. That makes him even more valuable. 2. Contract matters. Both Cat and Cato have contracts that run 2-3 more years. Payton could walk after this one. Ol George must know something! I would love to have seen Ray Allen's outside shooting keeping defenses honest.
How can you say the bucks made the right choice? Did you forget the Bucks also gave up a 1st round conditional pick. Mobley/Cato (Plus Bucks would keep their 1st round pick) > Payton/Mason First off, Mobley is by far better than Mason at SG... Statistically Mobley plays more minutes, plays better defense, scores more PPG, gives more assists, has a better FT%, steals and blocks more than Mason, oh and Mason's 3 PT% is .291. Second, What is the Bucks worst position? Center by far, they have Ervin Johnson at center doing nothing, Cato would be a major upgrade and can produce more in the east. Imagine alley oops from Cassel over the east centers. Cato can easily be a 10/10 guy in the east playing full time. Third, now the Bucks have two PG's, they take a risk that they could lose Payton in the offseason. Also, Cassel could get pissed off b/c loss of playing time causing more ruckus.
Agree with the Reef trade being ridiculous! Griffin, Mobley and Cato for Reef is laughable! Heck Griffin for Reef straight up is a coin toss to many. Jeff, let me ask you this about the Bucks deal. First, getting Payton/Mason for Allen is a solid deal for Milwaukee looking at it face value. No question better than the possible Mobley/Cato offer. However...That assumes that Payton is going to be resigned. The tables are turned if the end results (Payton walking in FA) is Allen for Mason or Allen for Mobley/Cato. If you are the Bucks which one would you take then? Who is better, Mason or Mobley? Maybe a coin toss? Maybe Mason is slightly better? Nevertheless you have to believe that adding Cato as a center for the Bucks would be huge for them. Their interior defense is pathetic. Their starting center is Jason Caffey for goodness sakes. The Bucks trade was a good deal THIS season no question. And they dumped Allen's salary (to appease the owner looking to sell the club). It remains to be seen if it was a good deal for the FUTURE of the club. Chris
Second by far. I would love to have Shareef on this team. A legit big man (PF) would of been great to have. Espn reported that the deal would of benn Eddie and MoT, for Shareef.
The ONLY positive we would've gotten out of that trade, is getting rid of Mo's contract. That's all. As far as talent and future potential goes, I'd rather have EG/Mo Money Taylor then Shareef.
I absolutely agree, even with the draft picks, Milwaukee was smarter to go with Sonics -- however, they now have a convoluted line-up (as do the Sonics, for that matter). If SAR for EG/KC/CM? uh uh. Altho sub out MoT for Cato and I am considering it seriously. So what, this is the crew to take the Rox home for this year. Let's hope they ride into (at least ) a latter May sunset.
Well, ESPN was wrong. Atlanta trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim Atlanta receives: PF Eddie Griffin PF Maurice Taylor TRADE DECLINED ----------------------------------------------------- However, this trade would have worked, and in my opinion is severely lopsided. Atlanta trades: SG Emanual Davis PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim Atlanta receives: SG Cuttino Mobley C Kelvin Cato PF Eddie Griffin TRADE ACCEPTED
It seems to me that this is a win/win for the Bucks. If they sign Payton, so be it. If not, they have some flexibility. I'm not entirely sure they intend to resign Payton, at least not at his current salary level. He's still a great player, but he's aging.
I would have done either or both, so long as it's not Francis or Ming. All the other players are nothing. Give up too much? Are you kidding? I'll trade you 100 nothings in exchange for one something. I can always get more nothings. Given the choices as listed - Allen is cheaper and plugs in immediately for 2 bench-level players. All in all, though, I'd rather have had SAR run with Ming and SF for the years ahead. And a new coach, of course. I think you're right in noting our deal for Allen is trumped by Payton/Mason. That's pretty hard to beat, even if we throw in Cato and take back trash. So the only real "pass" would be SAR, and brass must agree with y'all that he's not all that much more than a rich man's Taylor.
