Where Does Nash Rank Among The Greatest PGs Of All Time?

You mean most overrated ever? He didn't even make one NBA finals. His team had been knocked off with HCA in playoff multiple times and never pull off as underdog once. He only fit in fast break team that couldn't win in playoff, you put him with a good post player he gets lost. i.e. His style may be fun to watch, but you can't build a championship team around him.

Worst of all, every PG not named Fisher abuses him with ease. He used to count on Marion/Bell and even Hill to help him on defensive side. Some greatest may have average defense, but definitely not worst defense.

 

A lot of this is true, but his numbers by themselves put him in GOAT territory.

I'm pretty sure Hollinger or someone ran a formula that combined highest 2pt%, 3pt%, and FT%, to find the greatest shooter of all time, and Nash came out on top by a large margin.

 

The guy is the worst defensive player of his era, he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near that discussion. I would not even put him in my top 10. The guy did not deserve either of his MVPs

 

one of the greatest offensive PG's in history.

 

I think he's in the 5-10 range of greatest PG's all time.

Can anyone name 10 PGs who've had greater careers?

 

The guy is bad defensively, but is he really the absolute worst defensive player of his era?

I completely disagree about him not deserving either MVP. He certainly deserved the first, IMO. Phoenix went from 29 wins to 62 wins in one season with only one major acquisition: Steve Nash. You can say it's the system all you want, but that doesn't change how valuable he was to his team.

 

The mavs also increased their number of wins without him. Ray Allen deserved it that year.

And yes, I feel like he is the worst defensive player of his generation. The guy gets lit up by every pg, remember how good Rafer used to look against him? He has been on some of the most talented teams in the NBA, but has never played a lick of D.

 

Once again, number of championship rings has almost nothing to do with the quality of a player, and certainly is not even a remotely reliable way to assess his "greatness".

 

That said, criticizing his defense is a more than reasonable justification for knocking him down the list of the great PGs. Defense is hard to measure objectively though.

 

Some that I would pick over him:

Magic
Isiah
Oscar
Stockton gross: )
Kevin Johnson (the dude was pure money and could take over any game and was even better in the playoffs)
Gary Payton in his prime was awesome. Quite the opposite when it comes to Steve no D Nash. And his offensive game was nothing to laugh at.

Never saw Cousy and Archibald play so I don't know about those two.

 

LOL KEVIN JOHNSON

 

1) Magic
2) Oscar Rob
3) Isiah Thomas
4) Bob Cousy
5) John Stockton
6) Walt Frazier
7) Payton
8) Archibald
9) Kidd
10) Tim Hardaway
11) Kevin Johnson. (would be ahead of Tim Hardaway had injuries not gotten the best of him. Still had a glorious 9 year stretch where he killed it. Look at his numbers from 89-97)

12) NASH. Nash's deficiency on the defenside side of the game can't make up for his effiecient scoring %'s.

 

False.

Nash > Calderon, defensively

 

I think that the only thing that hurt him a bit is that he came on so late in his career, he was definitely a late bloomer. That being said, this guy is absolutely sick. He really is the type of guy that passes first but can only score at will. If you asked me, I'd say that Stockton's best 3-5 year stretch was nowhere near as effective as Nash's best 3-5 year stretch. He certainly deserves some run as there are things that he does better than any point guard before. In terms of overall career accomplishments, sand championship(s), I put him at third like BleedRocketRed said.

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Some guy on a Houston sports talks show brought up the exact same debate regarding KJ vs. Nash. He brought up some very interesting stats regarding KJ and it might surprise you when you check out his numbers, Johnson for a 5-6 year period, could be argued, was Nash's equal.

 

Magic, John Stockton, Walt "Clyde" Frazier, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West (he could very capably played both guard positions and since the Lakers had a stiff at the other guard for most of his career he did basically play both PG and SG), Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, Bob Cousy were no doubt greater than Nash.

I'd probably take Tiny Archibald and Jason Kidd over Nash as well, and I'm not sure I wouldn't take Terry Porter or Kevin Johnson over Nash.

I think Nash is quite overrated. I think he is a rich man's Mark Price, and I don't think he was that much better than Price.

 

Laugh all you want. This guy was Chris Paul WITH HOPS before there was Chris Paul and he did the damn thing for a nice stretch before injuries. Easily one of the most underrated/forgotten about pg's of all time.

 

Barely top 10, not top 5 (the MVPs do not matter)...he has more hardware than alot of great players does not mean he is by any means a better player, especially with inferior numbers. I think he is a good player, but at times overrated (sort like a 2x MVP with Utah Jazz). I still believe if Nash played a good bit of his career in the 80s- 90s, he'd be somewhat overlooked and pegged as another good pg (but never the best)


Best Ever:

Magic Johnson (better numbers, more MVPs, and titles)
Oscar Robertson (who could also be considered a SG)
Isiah Thomas
John Stockton
Bob Cousy
Kevin Johnson

Next Group:
Jason Kidd
Gary Payton
Tiny Archibald
Steve Nash
Tim Hardaway (This is another thing I'd point out, Nash has led the league 4 times out of the last 5 seasons in assist, and has generated all types of praise, yet he is only .1 assist ahead of Hardaway, who has also averaged over 20 ppg, five times in his career, along with two of them being accompanied by 10 assist).
Mark Price
Norm Van Lier


Lower Group:
Chris Paul
Kevin Porter
Nick Van Exel
Muggsy Bogues
Rod Strickland
Kenny Anderson
Scott Skiles
Muggsy Bogues

 

Calderon is not even a starter, he doesn't count and I still think Nash is worse than him